10-Nov-17 World View -- Saudi Arabia blockades Yemen, threatening millions to die in famine

[Two prong]

Of Yemen!?

..have you LOOKED at a map? <chuckle!>

Aloha buckeroo!

No, of the KSA, meathead.

Oh,... the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia!

..Iran invades Saudi Arabia,.. uh,.. that WOULD be interesting! What's your conjecture as to how they'd do that? I really wanna hear your absolutely fascinating idea of how that might happen.

Please please PLEASE write up your thoughts and post them.

Thanks!

You really are a useless prick. If you can't see how Iran can invade KSA, then you are a flaming idiot.

[FishbellykanakaDude]

No, of the KSA, meathead.

Oh,... the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia!

..Iran invades Saudi Arabia,.. uh,.. that WOULD be interesting! What's your conjecture as to how they'd do that? I really wanna hear your absolutely fascinating idea of how that might happen.

Please please PLEASE write up your thoughts and post them.

Thanks!

You really are a useless prick. If you can't see how Iran can invade KSA, then you are a flaming idiot.

Well, I can see how one might drive a vehicle, or fly or float a vehicle, from Iran to Saudi Arabia, but I'm just quite interested in your vision of what an Iranian invasion of Saudi Arabia would actually look like.

I'm not saying you're crazy for suggesting such a thing. Far from it. I'd just love to hear from the source how such a novel-to-me idea would play out.

It sounds like a great story! Do tell!!?

Thanks again! Aloha bud! <Shaka nui!>

[John]

I am, of course, extremely reluctant to get involved in somebody
else's flame war, but since I've written about this subject in the
past, it's probably worthwhile to repeat some things I've written in
the past about this subject, from the point of view of Generational
Dynamics.

If you look at Iran's generational crisis wars in the last century --
the Constitutional Revolution of 1908-09, the Great Islamic Revolution
of 1979, and the Iran/Iraq war that climaxed in 1989 -- Iran did not
attack any other nation, and takes pride in not having done so.

Furthermore, Iran is in a generational Awakening era, with lots of
survivors still around from the horrific Iran/Iraq war, in which
Saddam used weapons of mass destruction (chemical weapons) on both the
Kurds and the Iranians.

Iran does currently have Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) troops
in Syria, but Iran is embarassed to admit it, because having troops in
a foreign country is domestically very unpopular in Iran.

So for these reasons, it's almost unthinkable that Iran would invade
any other country.

What Iran has been doing is quite different. They've been sending
weapons to the Houthis and to Hamas / Islamic Jihad for use against
Saudi Arabia and Israel, respectively, and they've forced their puppet
militia Hezbollah to intervene in Syria on the side of al-Assad. So
Iran is perfectly content to fight proxy wars, provide money and
weapons, and let someone else do the actual fighting, as long as
Iranian troops can stay at home and return each night to their wives'
beds, and not do any fighting.

[Two prong]

All of the countries in the thick of the fighting aren't supposed to be fighting, but they are. And they have been hard at it for seven years in Syria and virtually non-stop in Iraq since 2003. Iraq has a Shia government. Southern Iraq, which borders KSA is populated by Shias who hate the Saudis, Sunnis, and the King of Saudi Arabia. Iran could send troops through Southern Iraq with ease. If the West is willing to allow mass death in Yemen, the Shia won't, regardless of the last time they were engaged in the war. Whether the Iranians us Iraqi Shia troops or Lebanese Hezbollah as proxies, an invasion would definitely be in the cards. Thousands, if not ten of thousands of Iranians are fighting in Syria and Iraq already. They could be sent into KSA. And if you Holy War is really declared against KSA, do you really believe the Persians would sit that out? The wild card would be America. What would America do?

[Two prong]

Sorry for the typos. I typed this on out on a smartphone while sitting through a mind numbing presentation.

[Two prong]

Oh, and the KSA military is weak, very weak. Without America or (jeez) Israeli military counter attack, KSA is finished. I think the KSA is really desperate to be doing all of this. They must know something that most don't...

[Tom Mazanec]

Fears of famine grow http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 461062.ece

[FishbellykanakaDude]

All of the countries in the thick of the fighting aren't supposed to be fighting, but they are. And they have been hard at it for seven years in Syria and virtually non-stop in Iraq since 2003. Iraq has a Shia government. Southern Iraq, which borders KSA is populated by Shias who hate the Saudis, Sunnis, and the King of Saudi Arabia. Iran could send troops through Southern Iraq with ease. If the West is willing to allow mass death in Yemen, the Shia won't, regardless of the last time they were engaged in the war. Whether the Iranians us Iraqi Shia troops or Lebanese Hezbollah as proxies, an invasion would definitely be in the cards. Thousands, if not ten of thousands of Iranians are fighting in Syria and Iraq already. They could be sent into KSA. And if you Holy War is really declared against KSA, do you really believe the Persians would sit that out? The wild card would be America. What would America do?

So, an Iranian proxy invasion of KSA. Is there really a large enough invasion population of non-Iranians to pull off that invasion?

I frankly don't know if there is. Mightn't Iran "simply" supply Yemen from the sea, as opposed as a proxy invasion of KSA?

Just looking for "least effort" pathways for Iran to get from here to there. A proxy invasion sounds like a VERY inefficient path.

I find it completely impossible that the US would allow an overland "invasion" by proxy militants of the KSA.

And other than a "deeply rooted and massively powerful" Iranian cleric, I can't see any source of a fatwa that would compel the Iranians to commit to a Holy War on the Saudis.

Now, it WOULD be interesting if such a powerful Cleric DID arise in IRAN, and attempted to commit Iran to his Holy War on the Saudis. That MIGHT cause the "young generation" to revolt and gain control of Iran,.. which nearly MUST be the precursor to positioning Iran as an ally with the US and Russia.

..interesting...

Thanks Two, for sharing your thoughts!

Mahalo and aloha! <Shaka nui!>

[Two prong]

KSA always has a Shia population. They would not be passive. They aren't passive now...

[FishbellykanakaDude]

KSA always has a Shia population. They would not be passive. They aren't passive now...

Yeah,.. but they're only about 15% (or less) of the population, and a bit "marginalized" shall we say.

..guess who dies first? Anyone,.. anyone,.. Beuller,.. Bueller..?