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[John]

The way I look at it is that people are scared to death at what's
going on.

The people I talk to don't seem to think anything is going on.

Who's gonna worry about anything on a tropical isle?

[Higgenbotham]

Simple Recipe for Destroying an Industrial Civilization

1. Increase the costs on producers of the raw materials that power the civilization and from which its products are created. Do this by counterfeiting money and giving it to criminals and parasites who produce nothing (complete).
2. Make sure that the wages of the workers who produce the raw materials and the products rise much more slowly than the costs of the raw materials the workers depend upon for their survival. This will ensure that the workers cannot afford to buy these products. Do this using the counterfeiting procedure outlined in step 1 (complete).
3. Continue doing this until the producers can no longer make a profit and production begins to fall (nearly complete).
4. While you are doing this, tell everyone that you are "saving" the economy by means of "quantitative easing". Always remember the maxim that if you tell a lie long enough people will believe it (nearly complete).
5. Wait until no more of the raw materials that are used to power the civilization and produce its products are able to be produced and the economy crashes to and below agricultural age outputs. Congratulations, you have destroyed the industrial civilization (nearly complete).

Now what are you going to do?

Recipe for Destroying a Civilization (Using Sweden as an Example)

1. Go into population overshoot with your native population. Population overshoot means you are above the carrying capacity at steady state usage of raw materials (such that nature replenishes the raw materials like soils and fish stocks at the same rate they are used within that geographic area).
2. Fail to understand that the hegemon is engaging in the "Simple Recipe for Destroying an Industrial Civilization" above.
3. Bring about 2 million Muslim invaders into your country that hate the native population. Think that it's OK because operating well above carrying capacity is working for now and you think you need to assimilate extra people to catch fish for you, work as clerks in IKEA stores, and fund your comfortable retirement.
4. Fail to realize that when the civilization is no longer able to function above carrying capacity, which is inevitable at some point, the native population would die back to steady state carrying capacity even if no Muslim invaders were present.


Simple Example

1. Island with carrying capacity sufficient to sustain 1000 humans over the long term
2. Currently operating at a capacity sufficient to sustain 4000 due to extracting at a rate insufficient to replenish
3. Current population is 2000
4. Bring in 1000 invaders from another culture
5. Capacity drops back to steady state where it supports 1000 humans
6. The invaders and the natives have a bloody and protracted war whereby population drops well below steady state carrying capacity and the civilization is destroyed

[vincecate]

Who's gonna worry about anything on a tropical isle?

I do.

[Higgenbotham]

Question for the short term is what's the most obvious near term play in the markets. My guess is oil up.

[gerald]

Who's gonna worry about anything on a tropical isle?

I do.

John -- Who's gonna worry about anything on a tropical isle?

How about -

* cyclones
* island subsidence ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atoll)
* lack or shortage of potable water ( I have been on tropical islands during a drought and have seen the results of forest fires )
* military coups ( read about a possible coup involving out side financing in the local paper while visiting a tropical "paradise", they had a coup a few years earlier)
* access to medical treatment
* crime ( when the locals have bars on the windows and houses of worship and resorts have 24 hour guards their might be a problem )
* etc.

Of course one could run around in a loin cloth and eat fruit that falls of off trees, the diet may get a bit boring but it might be healthier.

one island philosophy --

yesterday is gone -- forget about it
today is now -- enjoy
tomorrow is not here -- so don't think about

cheers

[jcsok]

I have traveled across the US from Colorado to DC to west Texas in the past 5 weeks, another friend has traveled to California and north to Nebraska. I have observed and conversed with several people; the only ones that I have talked about collapse are my close confidants. My friend reports that the truck traffic to CA has dropped significantly from the past. He watches this closely because of his business; he runs a small scrapyard and the price of scrap has gone to nearly zero in the past few months. He has become quite worried; nobody is bringing salvage to him because he only pays $20/ton at the moment, down from well over $200 a couple years ago. He tells me of several salvage yards that have closed, and others that have only a skeleton crew. My friend let his last employee go a couple weeks ago.

Of the people I have observed in my travels, I saw down and out individuals who were spending $$$ on alcohol, cigarettes and tattoos; or the worker bees that only went from home to low paying jobs with little emotion in their eyes. My friends in DC and Maryland are upscale lawyers who, for the most part, are unaware of doom except they hate the administration. The most shocking person was my liberal, long time Democrat sister, government lawyer, who informed me that she would probably vote for Trump. Denver seemed to be booming; I talked to a commercial builder on the ski lift that can't keep up with demand.

I am very close to the oil patch, with many friends and family involved. Most acknowledge that it will be 2-5 years for the price to return to profitable levels. In Midland, Tx, the man camps are still pretty full because all the wells drilled will require a couple years to continue completion. But my older brother in law realizes that he probably won't be around for the next boom. He discussed the collapse of mineral rights prices and that the speculators that purchased rights in the preceeding two years will probably be puking up properties because they won't cash flow. Well drilling costs are plummeting because drillers are trying to cover fixed costs. In my neighborhood, one of the busiest drilling areas of the US, many locations have been staked and graveled, but virtually no new drilling is going on. I see very few rigs at night now. Because of the oil collapse, I had some real estate buyers back out of signing contracts (Oh so close to getting some land under contract, but no bananas).

Cattle prices have plummeted in the last year; some instances 40%; several banks are in trouble, so is the rumor. And several major cattle buyers/feeders. Most of the ones that I talk to are scared of economic collapse, not hyperinflation.

Very few of the people I associate with ever mention precious metals. And the general population doesn't think of it. So I continue to focus on buying PMs in the future. But I am paralyzed on what to do/where to buy more land for a collapse/move/

It seems like a train wreck in slow motion. For me, will the boxcars tumble over me and crush me, or will the slow motion continue as it has for 40 years?

Such are my musings as I sit here on generator power because of an ice storm. If/when the grid goes down, for any number of reasons, NO ONE will be ready, few will cope.

[gerald]

Having just finished Trump's new book " Crippled America", I would have to say he is right on.

[aedens]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-2 ... r-expected

~40 to ~60 at the current peg is considered only

As we noted some back the herd is stressed since a few conveyed the point of the golden calf effect as before.

Not a good place to if you see the nose.

Another view is 31 observations just the week of thanksgiving to events told as before.

Even the skeptics are uneasy.

As we noted a few years back production was then in a snap shot report seven teen percent on commodity chain supply over supply in region specific
in catalytic cracking not to be confused with the thermal cracking used in the petrochemical industry.

As you can see they got the export vote on that chain since the writing was on the wall to the regional margin cluster production
supply chains.

As conveyed the Farben effect was recently noted since alleged synergy's are just market specific looting of capital funds.

As to be brief the remnant see the effects of Regional Birth Pangs and Global Seal Judgments.

The effect is simple. As we considered in the notes before when they try to divide that region we know what
we where hit as judgement. The point is simple in the research. Evey time they tried we suffered the effects.

The question posed as "Why Is The United States Being Hit By So Many Fires, Floods And Earthquakes?"
Many indeed will not accept the answer.

For those with and ear they already know.

[aedens]

I have traveled across the US from Colorado to DC to west Texas in the past 5 weeks, another friend has traveled to California and north to Nebraska. I have observed and conversed with several people; the only ones that I have talked about collapse are my close confidants. My friend reports that the truck traffic to CA has dropped significantly from the past. He watches this closely because of his business; he runs a small scrapyard and the price of scrap has gone to nearly zero in the past few months. He has become quite worried; nobody is bringing salvage to him because he only pays $20/ton at the moment, down from well over $200 a couple years ago. He tells me of several salvage yards that have closed, and others that have only a skeleton crew. My friend let his last employee go a couple weeks ago.

Of the people I have observed in my travels, I saw down and out individuals who were spending $$$ on alcohol, cigarettes and tattoos; or the worker bees that only went from home to low paying jobs with little emotion in their eyes. My friends in DC and Maryland are upscale lawyers who, for the most part, are unaware of doom except they hate the administration. The most shocking person was my liberal, long time Democrat sister, government lawyer, who informed me that she would probably vote for Trump. Denver seemed to be booming; I talked to a commercial builder on the ski lift that can't keep up with demand.

https://iscrapapp.com/yards/us-michigan ... d-premium/

Others see the crack up boom we seen coming also. The magnitude is being seen from ground level for some time J

Latency of effect to crack up boom will ensue but not today..... Goes back to our political smoothing discussions....Sun Apr 20, 2014
http://www.scribd.com/doc/241316992/Rob ... org#scribd

[aedens]

optics
http://thenewsdoctors.com/syria-its-not ... never-was/

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/hitlers-mufti

Muslims always struggled to meet the demands for new recruits, al-Husseini was able to organize three divisions of Bosnian Muslims who were then trained as elements of the Waffen-SS. The largest radical Muslim unit was the 13th Waffen-SS Handzar ("Dagger") division that boasted over 21,000 men. They were joined by the Bosnian 23rd Waffen-SS Kama Division and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen-SS Division. The Muslim Waffen-SS forces fought across the Balkans against Communist partisans and then assisted in the genocide of Yugoslavian Jews and in the persecution and slaughter of Gypsies and Christian Serbs in 1944 and 1945.

The current affairs to let them negate each other in zones is no accident and The Governors in the States realize this.
The visceral effect to leak them in to sort them out is crashing the machine of controlled intent.

http://gdxforum.com/forum/search.php?ke ... sf=msgonly

Aug 02, 2013 : It's clear today that development in Russia didn't go the way the West anticipated. Russia became the perfect KGB state. 80% of government officials are former or active KGB officers, including President Vladimir Putin himself. The objective of the Soviet regime was to overthrow the United States as the world's leading power. The Soviet KGB fathered state-sponsored terrorism. The PLO was dreamt up by KGB. In 1960s a new element was added to the Soviet/PLO war; international terrorism. Today's international terrorism was conceived at the Lubyanka.
As Yuri Andropov once explained to Ion Pacepa, the Muslim world was a Petri dish in which the Russians might "nurture a virulent strain of America-hatred from the bacterium of Marxist-Leninist thought." KGB General Alexander Sakharovsky once said to Pacepa: "In today's world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon." Americans and Europeans no longer remember the past and don't realize that history is now repeating itself.

http://www.amazon.com/Hybrid-Wars-Indir ... B014GA5SX8
The ping pong, or to say hybrid effects to neutralize elements is no different than Stalin's insane regime that we slaughter million's, but you kill one of ours we declare war.

Isaiah 59:10 Like the blind we grope along the wall, feeling our way like people without eyes. At midday we stumble as if it were twilight; among the strong, we are like the dead.