6-Sep-15 World View -- Russia may be building a new military base in Syria /The cost of repudiating the Truman Doctrine

[gerald]

Tinfoil it is then. Argumentum ad hominem is the first sign of weak footing in a lazy attempt to discredit. Just how is Jade Helm not happening? Why do you think they are doing it? Agenda 21 is a document produced by the UN. Anyone can find it on the internet. I suppose you also think an electronically created 6 layer PDF is a valid document created by scanning a piece of paper? How does someone fro; Hawaii end up with a SSN from the northeast? Certainly there are things out there that I find insane but some things are NOT and the goal is to pay folks to go "out there" on the innerwebz and spread the word to discredit what is happening before everyone's eyes.

Granted, there are those who just can't be reasoned with, but who is talking about Aliens from space right now? We are not talking about illegals coming in and committing felonies and fed.gov is letting them walk? How insane is that? Where is the rule of law when Sec State has classified emails on a private server that any other fed.gov employee would get serious jail time for?

So let us put the tinfoil back in the drawer where you found it and discuss real things happening in the real world. Take time to build real arguments grounded in real facts. Ahh, but that is the problem today. What are the real facts? Why did the administration blame some goofball video about Mohammed for a hit job on a US Ambassador? I know I know what difference does it make, right? No one but conspiracy theorists and goofballs here, move along.

Tinfoil hat and conspiracy theorists !? --- Zero hedge has an informal tab on these crazy ideas that have turned out to be true.
Conspiracy -- definition -- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conspiracy


1.
the act of conspiring.
2.
an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3.
a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose:
He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4.
Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5.
any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result
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Who amongst us has not conspired? -- #5 -an example - conspired for a surprise birthday party.

[Guest]

I don't believe in UFOS, 9/11 conspiracies, Agenda 21, or Bigfoot. What I do know is that a country has finite resources and cannot accept an endless stream of illegals taking away jobs, lowering wages, committing crimes, and draining the welfare system. I also want to see my language and culture preserved, especially since the people coming from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East come from extremely violent and corrupt socities. I don't want to become like Mexico, Nigeria, or India. Third World countries reveal in hypocrisy, often placing draconian restrictions on foreign ownership and employment.

Is it too much to ask that immigrants entering a country play by the rules?

[gerald]

I don't believe in UFOS, 9/11 conspiracies, Agenda 21, or Bigfoot. What I do know is that a country has finite resources and cannot accept an endless stream of illegals taking away jobs, lowering wages, committing crimes, and draining the welfare system. I also want to see my language and culture preserved, especially since the people coming from Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East come from extremely violent and corrupt socities. I don't want to become like Mexico, Nigeria, or India. Third World countries reveal in hypocrisy, often placing draconian restrictions on foreign ownership and employment.

Is it too much to ask that immigrants entering a country play by the rules?

What are these laws that you speak of? --- example --- ( not counting current events )

Do As We Say, Congress Says, Then Does What It Wants ---- http://www.propublica.org/article/do-as ... t-it-wants
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and people wonder why this? ---- Trump Surges Past "Almost Apologetic" Hillary As Presidential Front-Runner, Latest Poll Shows

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-0 ... st-poll-sh


I talked with Republican wise men last week — sober establishment strategists who have seen many presidential campaigns come and go — to ask them how long the improbable popularity of Donald Trump can last. Reassure me, I said: He can't actually win, right?

Their answers surprised me.

"It's not inconceivable," Vin Weber, a former congressman (and Jeb Bush supporter) told me. "It doesn't look as if he's going to implode any time soon…. It's hard for me to say this, but he actually seems to be getting better as a candidate."

"Trump has put himself on the short list of five or six names who could win the nomination," said another GOP operative who insisted on anonymity because he's working for one of those other candidates. "It's not impossible that he could win."

Until a few weeks ago, the conventional wisdom held that Trump was merely a summer fling for angry voters, a protest candidate whose insults and braggadocio would soon impose a ceiling on his support. But recent polls suggest that Trump has raised that ceiling.

...

On balance, a Trump victory still appears unlikely; his conservative credentials are too weak, his political experience too thin. "I'm hearing people talk about him as if he were the inevitable nominee," Weber said. "We aren't there yet."

But Republican Party's grandees are glumly acknowledging that America's love affair with Trump is more than a summer romance — maybe a lot more.

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Not to equate the two -- but, this is interesting -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWUSHhICnCw --- notice the choice of words --- if one spends time watching other film clips early in his "career" one is struck by the electricity in the audience of both men and women and sometimes it even surprises him. ----- " History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme " -- Mark Twain
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When "leaders" in government become too far removed from "the people " things can happen that surprise most everyone .

[gerald]

For the amusement of the day, a different topic, I am sure someone out there as a logical answer. Sure hope so.

Around 7 AM Mountain standard time, the sun was up, my wife pointed to a bright thing in the sky that was even visible through thin clouds. What ever. It appeared to stay in the same place for about 20 minutes while the clouds moved. ( We were having breakfast outside on the deck.) So I got my binoculars and had a look. Hmmm ? It was round somewhat iridescent and silver in color. It couldn't have been a planet in the morning sky because the sun was up and too bright for planet to be seen, also the "object" was too large about 1/8 the diameter of a full moon, round and fully "lit". I checked it's location a few hours later, it moved East in an arc about the same length as the sun moved West and was still fully lit, not like a crescent moon which is lit on only the sun facing side ? I doubt it was another echo experiment because it was too large ( as a child I saw the Echo in the evening sky shortly after sun set, it was but a dot rapidly moving through the night sky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Echo ) It will be interesting to see if I can view it tomorrow, weather permitting.
Any ideas?

[MarvyGuy]

Shiny object lands in Gerald's yard on 4 spindly legs.

Obligatory little green man steps out.

"Hello Earthings we come in peace>"

"Okay just kidding! Bwahahahaha"

Zapzapzapzapzapzapzap

[gerald]

Shiny object lands in Gerald's yard on 4 spindly legs.

Obligatory little green man steps out.

"Hello Earthings we come in peace>"

"Okay just kidding! Bwahahahaha"

Zapzapzapzapzapzapzap

Did not see it the next day do not know what it was --- whatever --
If the little green men come out just hope it is not like --- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0734684/ ---

The Twilight Zone: Season 3, Episode 24
To Serve Man

which turns out to be a cook book for cooking humans --- yummmm --see cannibal islands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism
humans taste like pork

http://listverse.com/2015/07/01/10-revi ... cannibals/
According to Shawcross, human meat tastes like the burned end of a nice pork roast. In correspondence with writer Christopher Berry-Dee, Shawcross reiterated that human flesh tastes like pork, suggesting that people should think of that the next time they sit down to ham, bacon, or a juicy pork chop.

London: Scientists have sequenced the genome of the pig, showing the swine and humans share 112 DNA mutations linked to a range of disease including Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s, which may be useful in fighting diseases.

Researchers, who undertook the largest ever study of the pig genome, found that swine are adaptable, easy to seduce with food and susceptible to domestication – much like humans. http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis ... 12100.html

Who says little green men are stupid.
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Hay, what is real any way.

cheers

[Guest]

I'm glad people taste like pork. I plan to eat many after the economy tanks.

[psCargile]

For the amusement of the day, a different topic, I am sure someone out there as a logical answer. Sure hope so.

Around 7 AM Mountain standard time, the sun was up, my wife pointed to a bright thing in the sky that was even visible through thin clouds. What ever. It appeared to stay in the same place for about 20 minutes while the clouds moved. ( We were having breakfast outside on the deck.) So I got my binoculars and had a look. Hmmm ? It was round somewhat iridescent and silver in color. It couldn't have been a planet in the morning sky because the sun was up and too bright for planet to be seen, also the "object" was too large about 1/8 the diameter of a full moon, round and fully "lit". I checked it's location a few hours later, it moved East in an arc about the same length as the sun moved West and was still fully lit, not like a crescent moon which is lit on only the sun facing side ? I doubt it was another echo experiment because it was too large ( as a child I saw the Echo in the evening sky shortly after sun set, it was but a dot rapidly moving through the night sky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Echo ) It will be interesting to see if I can view it tomorrow, weather permitting.
Any ideas?

Could you have been looking at the sun reflected off an aircraft from the front or the rear?

[gerald]

For the amusement of the day, a different topic, I am sure someone out there as a logical answer. Sure hope so.

Around 7 AM Mountain standard time, the sun was up, my wife pointed to a bright thing in the sky that was even visible through thin clouds. What ever. It appeared to stay in the same place for about 20 minutes while the clouds moved. ( We were having breakfast outside on the deck.) So I got my binoculars and had a look. Hmmm ? It was round somewhat iridescent and silver in color. It couldn't have been a planet in the morning sky because the sun was up and too bright for planet to be seen, also the "object" was too large about 1/8 the diameter of a full moon, round and fully "lit". I checked it's location a few hours later, it moved East in an arc about the same length as the sun moved West and was still fully lit, not like a crescent moon which is lit on only the sun facing side ? I doubt it was another echo experiment because it was too large ( as a child I saw the Echo in the evening sky shortly after sun set, it was but a dot rapidly moving through the night sky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Echo ) It will be interesting to see if I can view it tomorrow, weather permitting.
Any ideas?

Could you have been looking at the sun reflected off an aircraft from the front or the rear?

I doubt it, I know what aircraft look like with the light reflecting off it. Large weather balloons tend to be tear shaped, ( this was not ) it was round and approximately 1/8 the diameter of the moon, even the Red Bull balloon was only 424 feet in diameter http://www.redbull.com/cs/Satellite/en_ ... 3269595978 and not visible from the ground. A satellite " may move north to south, or south to north, or west to east, but never from east to west." http://www.scn.org/sastro/webfoot/jul00/pg5.htm This moved West to East ( a satellite? ) and covered an arc the same distance as the sun. It could not have been a geosynchronous satellite since it moved across the sky. What was it? I don't know. Of course one could always go into" loonytoon land"

[utahbob]

John,

Off topic, but here is an interesting wargaming results for you:
http://www.rand.org/paf/projects/us-chi ... ecard.html