9-Jul-14 World View -- Mideast war or peace? It all depends

[Guest]

Is this the justification for rape and torture at Abu Ghraib? Is this the justification for over a million Iraqi dead? No wonder the world Americans. No wonder America is sinking.

So I guess America's brutality in the Muslim world means the gloves are off when dealing Americans. Americans are no longer gentlemen; that's for sure. Thanks for letting everyone know. Act like war criminal; get treated like a war criminal. Now I won't feel any pity for Americans at all when America gets napalmed, attacked with biological weapons, and nuked.

[NoOneImportant]

And our gutless Guest wrote:

So I guess America's brutality in the Muslim world means the gloves are off when dealing Americans. Americans are no longer gentlemen; that's for sure. Thanks for letting everyone know. Act like war criminal; get treated like a war criminal. Now I won't feel any pity for Americans at all when America gets napalmed, attacked with biological weapons, and nuked.

And I must say, earnestly,and with the greatest sincerity, that I can't thank you deeply enough. Had I written a script, I couldn't have conveyed our jeopardy any clearer than you have - you have conveyed clearly, with no rational thought, no discussion, just (paraphrasing) "...I hate you, so if I can kill you, I will kill you, and if given the opportunity I will kill you all; I will use bullets, germs, or atomic weapons...." I believe I understood you rightly.

This person, good people, and millions more like him believe that they can impress their will upon anyone whom they choose. It is the reason that there is no freedom to be found anywhere in Islam - for anyone, none.

There are those among you who tire of war. To them I specifically address this: if you tire of war, know and understand that this is the individual you will be surrendering to; this is the monster who will give you the choice between converting to Islam, or the sword; this is the monster who will routinely savagely remove the clitoris from unwilling women; this is the monster who while there is breath in his body will lie, deceive, and distort without compunction; he will kill any female in his household who should dare to contest his will, but only you understand, so that he can maintain his "honor;" he is the reason that virtually every single airplane hijacking since 1970 has been performed by Muslims. This man, good people, is the personification of the "Religion of Peace." http://www.thereligionofpeace.com. He makes one earnestly hope, and pray that we find the new Charles Martel ASAP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martel - a bit wordy, but interesting.

Understand that these people have two arms, two legs, a head, and a torso, but they are not just like you - they are in fact living, breathing, walking, talking monsters; monsters who are prepared to perform the most heinous acts of barbarity in the name of God, and they are prepared to perform them on you - should you give them that opportunity.

[Guest]

You are a hypocrite. You are a gutless coward and shameless liar. Haven't you shameless neocons learned ANYTHING in the last decade AT ALL?

You just did what you accused me of: try to justify brutality. You are crazed, no one important. (Perfect nickname for you by the way. ) I never said I would do anything. What I said was because of hypocritical criminals like you, America has been abandoned by virtually everyone. Even the Brits think Americans are more dangerous than North Koreans. I wonder why? America was popular when I was younger. Now people hate Americans. Even the Europeans are hostile. Americans have been abandoned to suffer a cruel fate that most people in the world think Americans deserve. That what's I said, low life.

I'm not Muslim. However, I have lived in several Muslim countries, and I have never been victimized by any of them. I can't say that about Americans. Your view of Muslims is idiotic and false. How many have you ever met? Have you ever tried to speak with any of them? (Don't lie.)

And, if you had a brain, you would know that it won't be the Muslims destroying America. It will be everyone else: Illegals, the Chinese, the Russians, etc. The Muslims just want to be left alone. Pat Buchanan summed it up concisely over a decade ago when people asked why Muslims are attacking America. "They are over here because we are over there." Americans have been causing trouble for decades in the ME; 9/11 was the reaction. Do you really think they attacked America because Americans are a pack of tattoo covered skanks? Do you really think Muslims care? Why do Latin Americans hate Americans so much? (And they do; they do.) Why are China and Russia ready to nuke us? (Is it because they jealous of America's freedoms?) And when America does come under attack, most of the world will be indifferent-at best.

I'd like to thank you, too, NOI. Whatever pity I had for Americans evaporated with your with your hypocritical, ignorant, and bizarre rant. Now, when I see Americans fighting for with Latino illegals for garbage scraps in the next couple of years, I won't feel bad for them. When starving Americans beg me for money, I'll just shrug and move on.

[Guest]

I read today that TB, Swine Flu, whopping cough, and a host of other tropical diseases are sweeping across America along with the tidal wave of troglodytes from south of the border. Is that Islam's fault, too? God's Will, no doubt. Deus vult.

Mind that cough, NOI. It just might kill you.

[gerald]

slavery -- http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/SS ... lavery.htm

"In his fact-filled work on the history of the Muslim Arab slave trade in Africa, Murray Gordon notes that this trade pre-dated the European Christian African slave trade by a thousand years and continued for more than a century after the Europeans had abolished the practice."

"Gordon decries a “conspiracy of silence. . .[that] has blocked out all light on this sensitive subject.” Among scholars in the Arab world, the author points out, “No moral opprobrium has clung to slavery since it was sanctioned by the Koran and enjoyed an undisputed place in Arab society.”

Arab slave trade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

it was far reaching for example ---

"These slaves were captured mainly from seaside villages from Italy, Spain, Portugal and also from more distant places like France or England, the Netherlands, Ireland and even Iceland"

[Thorrarin]

Is this the justification for rape and torture at Abu Ghraib? Is this the justification for over a million Iraqi dead? No wonder the world Americans. No wonder America is sinking.

So I guess America's brutality in the Muslim world means the gloves are off when dealing Americans. Americans are no longer gentlemen; that's for sure. Thanks for letting everyone know. Act like war criminal; get treated like a war criminal. Now I won't feel any pity for Americans at all when America gets napalmed, attacked with biological weapons, and nuked.

http://world.time.com/2013/10/15/new-st ... -iraq-war/

Let's try not to increase our speculative numbers to bolster our arguments.

I don't really need to start linking to episodes of torture from nations and tribes around the world do I? Nobody but sadists actively seek torture. Historically, America has done relatively little of it, has not publicly condoned it, has not systematically institutionalized it, and has (to an extent) prosecuted those Americans who have engaged in egregious acts of it. Nobody is denying that America and some Americans have made mistakes. How many of Bashar al-Assad's men have been prosecuted or punished by their own Syrian government for the torturing of Sunni civilians?

I have trouble believing that you ever thought Americans were gentleman anytime throughout their history. I am also having trouble deciding whether it is Israel or America you hate the most.

I am truly sorry that you no longer feel pity. “No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. But I know none, and therefore am no beast.” ― William Shakespeare, Richard III


As for the current Israel/Palestine conflict, I think it might be quite helpful to have a table of the perceived advantages and disadvantages of both sides, should the conflict spread to the theater-wide engagement of Arabs and Jews we are speculating on. Population, technology, armaments, training, allies, fervor, terrain, surprise, weather, overconfidence, hubris, strategy, and the stakes involved; there are so many variables to account for. History is full of military victories that do not favor the larger force. Troop or population numbers alone will not be the only deciding factor in this or any conflict. As always, history repeats itself. However, which particular piece of history will win out this time eludes me for now.

[Guest]

First of all, the idea that I have never liked Americans is wrong. People like you like to believe that no matter America does, people will hate America. Therefore, it's damned if we do, damned if we don't. That's wrong. You are damned for what you do. What you want to is to be let off he hook for war crimes.

Second, America has a long of history of war crimes and cruelty. (I know; Hollywood forgot to tell you that.) From the beginning, Americans have turned a blind eye to war crimes. Iraq is a prime example. How many people were convicted of crimes at Abu Ghraib? How many were officers? It strains credulity to believe that what happened at Abu Ghraib and at other bases around Iraq were the actions of a few rouge individuals. One need only Google the stories from the British press (after all, the America press is notable for its almost complete lack of coverage). Human rights groups are still gathering testimony. The rest of the world knows the truth. Woe to Americans everyone.

You are a pathetic apologist for crimes. Remember, after WW2, people like you would have been treated with contempt and derision. There are no war crimes tribunals for Americans, so I guess karma and the occasional slash of street justice will have to do. (And I sincerely believe that karma is going to do a number of Americans no matter where they slither off to.)

The myth that Americans soldiers behave better than others is just that: a myth.

Now America is going completely down the drain. Woe to the vanquished. That is what Americans said to the Muslims. Now you remember that.

[psCargile]

. . .America gets napalmed, attacked with biological weapons, and nuked.

Who would do such a thing? Surely not the valorous men carving out a section of Syria and Iraq to set up their own Caliphate? If you believe they will use such weapons if they had them, as I do, then you sir, make my case.

[Guest]

. . .America gets napalmed, attacked with biological weapons, and nuked.

Who would do such a thing? Surely not the valorous men carving out a section of Syria and Iraq to set up their own Caliphate? If you believe they will use such weapons if they had them, as I do, then you sir, make my case.

Isis won't bother America. They will only kill Americans who attack them over there. The attacks on America will come from Eastern Europe, Asia, and the hordes of illegals pouring over the border and effectively destroying the economy, medical system, and schools. How much more can American taxpayer pay out? What is left to take? Americans are broke.

Illegals are a much bigger threat to Americans than anyone or anything else. Illegals and the diseases they carry (many of them untreatable with antibiotics) are straight out of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds: a mighty war machine brought down by invisible plagues. Defeated by mindless diseases. That's part of how America will end. The Muslims don't need to do anything else. (Well, perhaps, they could disrupt the oil supply enough to bring down the global economy, but at this point, with dwindling oil supplies, that will happen anyway.)

You have failed to make any case. However, if it makes you feel better to blame Muslims, go ahead. :)

[Guest]

I noticed the white flag flying on top of the Brooklyn Bridge today. I guess the general populace has figured out that they have been sold down the river.