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Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by Guest » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:39 am

Cynic Hero 86 wrote:
Guest wrote:
Cynic Hero 86 wrote:
This is a stupid suggestion why arm those countries, those are the weakest countries in the region. If you want a buffer against China, Arm Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia and South Korea with Nukes instead.
You're an idiot. Singapore and Taiwan are not weak militarily. Singapore is much stronger than you think. You've never been to either country, have you? Arming South Korea might not work. The South Koreans under President Moon would probably reject them. Giving nukes to Muslim Indonesia is a bad idea. Vietnam is a communist dictatorship. Have you ever set foot in Asia?
I was thinking of Arming Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, and giving more advanced techs to India in addition to arming South Korea if Possible. There is no possible scenario that this would be regarded as a favorable development by Xi Jinping's government. Xi Jinping's government wouldn't care less that newly nuclear armed nations in this proposed scenario are democratic, authoritarian, communist or Muslim. What Xi Jinping and his government would care about is that previously Non-Nuclear armed nations that are usually enemies of China are now Nuclear armed Enemies of China, or in the case of India their Nuclear and conventional forces would suddenly receive a massive upgrade. The Chinese would be forced to back down. Such a development would massively alter the geopolitical balance in Both Asia and the World.
And who is going to pay for these weapons? The Philippines is still quite poor. They can't afford high tech armaments. And their current president is erratic and weird. Indonesia is political and socially unstable. Vietnam is a communist dictatorship. Both have horrendous human rights records. Both countries are still relatively poor. Why should we arm them?

Japan and Korea have state of the art armed forces and are armed to the teeth. The SK's have a 725,000 man army and millions more in reserve (but lack MWDs). Japan and Korea have the technology to create their own nuclear weapons.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by Cynic Hero 86 » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:31 am

Guest wrote:
Cynic Hero 86 wrote:
Guest wrote:Arm the Taiwanese and Singaporeans with nukes. Do it secretly, and tell China to suck it. Also, station American jet fighters in Taipei. It doesn't matter if Chinese gets angry; we're going to fight them anyway...
This is a stupid suggestion why arm those countries, those are the weakest countries in the region. If you want a buffer against China, Arm Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia and South Korea with Nukes instead.
You're an idiot. Singapore and Taiwan are not weak militarily. Singapore is much stronger than you think. You've never been to either country, have you? Arming South Korea might not work. The South Koreans under President Moon would probably reject them. Giving nukes to Muslim Indonesia is a bad idea. Vietnam is a communist dictatorship. Have you ever set foot in Asia?
I was thinking of Arming Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia, and giving more advanced techs to India in addition to arming South Korea if Possible. There is no possible scenario that this would be regarded as a favorable development by Xi Jinping's government. Xi Jinping's government wouldn't care less that newly nuclear armed nations in this proposed scenario are democratic, authoritarian, communist or Muslim. What Xi Jinping and his government would care about is that previously Non-Nuclear armed nations that are usually enemies of China are now Nuclear armed Enemies of China, or in the case of India their Nuclear and conventional forces would suddenly receive a massive upgrade. The Chinese would be forced to back down. Such a development would massively alter the geopolitical balance in Both Asia and the World.

Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by Guest » Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:22 pm

Cynic Hero 86 wrote:
Guest wrote:Arm the Taiwanese and Singaporeans with nukes. Do it secretly, and tell China to suck it. Also, station American jet fighters in Taipei. It doesn't matter if Chinese gets angry; we're going to fight them anyway...
This is a stupid suggestion why arm those countries, those are the weakest countries in the region. If you want a buffer against China, Arm Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia and South Korea with Nukes instead.
You're an idiot. Singapore and Taiwan are not weak militarily. Singapore is much stronger than you think. You've never been to either country, have you? Arming South Korea might not work. The South Koreans under President Moon would probably reject them. Giving nukes to Muslim Indonesia is a bad idea. Vietnam is a communist dictatorship. Have you ever set foot in Asia?

Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by Cynic Hero 86 » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:45 pm

Guest wrote:Arm the Taiwanese and Singaporeans with nukes. Do it secretly, and tell China to suck it. Also, station American jet fighters in Taipei. It doesn't matter if Chinese gets angry; we're going to fight them anyway...
This is a stupid suggestion why arm those countries, those are the weakest countries in the region. If you want a buffer against China, Arm Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia and South Korea with Nukes instead.

Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by Guest » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:49 am

Arm the Taiwanese and Singaporeans with nukes. Do it secretly, and tell China to suck it. Also, station American jet fighters in Taipei. It doesn't matter if Chinese gets angry; we're going to fight them anyway...

Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by Guest » Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:10 am

Popeye wrote:
John wrote: By the way, I've heard some analysts recently talk about another US
military option. The US removed its nuclear weapons from SK in 1991
in response to another phony promise from the North Koreans to end its
nuclear development. The US could threaten to put them back. The
South Koreans have already agreed to the THAAD missile system, and
they might agree to bring back the nuclear weapons as the lesser evil
than a US military attack on NK.
Seems like a better option than what is being done. America needs to wise up and realize how things use to be done aren't the same as how things are done now. Sure Kim we can talk and as you continue to play your game and push talks further while building arms we will just openly continue to arm our allies tooth and nail until an "agreement" can be reached. John continues to post on an almost nightly basis about how the usual suspects continue to pledge to "do better next time" while continuing to buy dope and get high in the back alley when no one is watching.
I'm sure America is well aware. With the way things are going SK probably wouldn't even want to take the weapons. They are still living in LaLa-land. Attempts to substantially arm other allies in the region would just give China more ground to claim America is threatening them and their militarization is well justified.

Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by Popeye » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:24 am

John wrote: By the way, I've heard some analysts recently talk about another US
military option. The US removed its nuclear weapons from SK in 1991
in response to another phony promise from the North Koreans to end its
nuclear development. The US could threaten to put them back. The
South Koreans have already agreed to the THAAD missile system, and
they might agree to bring back the nuclear weapons as the lesser evil
than a US military attack on NK.
Seems like a better option than what is being done. America needs to wise up and realize how things use to be done aren't the same as how things are done now. Sure Kim we can talk and as you continue to play your game and push talks further while building arms we will just openly continue to arm our allies tooth and nail until an "agreement" can be reached. John continues to post on an almost nightly basis about how the usual suspects continue to pledge to "do better next time" while continuing to buy dope and get high in the back alley when no one is watching.

Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by John » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:14 pm

Guest wrote: > What do you think will happen, Mr. Xenakis?
Trump is an individual with free will, so it's impossible to predict
what he'll do. Generational Dynamics doesn't predict the actions of
individuals, and so neither do I.

However, see the following:

** 21-Feb-18 World View -- US considers military options as North Korea continues nuclear weapons development during Olympics
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e180221

Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by Guest » Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:33 pm

John wrote:
CH86 wrote: > Boomers don't think in terms of Gains and Losses, only in terms of
> what gives them a self-righteous and moralistic high. President
> Trump seems to be somewhat of an outlier in this but he is
> surrounded by other boomers advising him who think in the typical
> boomer mold. These advisers are trying to pressure Trump into
> continuing globalist policies.
John wrote: > You didn't answer the question. What do you predict Trump will
> do?
CH86 wrote: > Trump Will strike North Korea with Nuclear weapons.
Consider your prediction to be recorded for posterity.
What do you think will happen, Mr. Xenakis?

Re: 28-Mar-18 World View -- Tense Turkey-EU summit in Bulgaria once again ends in failure

by CH86 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:36 pm

North Korea's fate is practically sealed, the only question is if they are allowed to take down an American, western, or other allied city or bases on their way out or not. The only way Kim's getting out of this at this point is if he capitulates.

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