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Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by Homage to Orwell » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:28 am

Occidental wrote:If the Catalans blink and fail to declare independence after the 90% referendum results in the face of massive Spanish opposition then Catalonia will never be independent in our lifetimes

The Catalans have no option but to forge ahead. If they waiver even slightly and pause or play for time then they will be swept aside and history will record them as cowardly losers.

In this situations you have to dial it up to 100 and push forward as if you are fueled by divine intervention. Any thing less than this and the powers that be will find a way to contain you, jail you and blacken your reputations.
And this is exactly what has happened.

Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by Guest » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:09 am

The President of the Republic has fled the country and is hiding out in Belgium with most of his cabinet. So much for the revolution..

Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by FishbellykanakaDude » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:06 pm

Not a Catalan wrote:
FishbellykanakaDude wrote:My question is what will keep the resistance fires burning when the national authorities turn off EVERYTHING (power, water, finance, food, etc) within the rebel state?

Will it come from outside Spain? Will Catalonia go completely guerrilla rogue and mount an underground insurgency? Will the "youth" REALLY forego their "soft life" to live as post-apocalyptic zombie killers and Negan Army Unit (National Police) hunters, while their "buds" across the French border are instagraming them from the cafe?
If-IF-- Spain cuts off everything the Catalans will freeze, starve with children, and die because the medical system will collapse this winter; that will be tantamount to genocide. It will be impossible for the Catalans to ever live side by side with the Spanish again. Not even the crap eating and spewing EU will get away with supporting that because the European people will rebel against it. Let the Spaniards show their true colors.

The Catalans might be on to something here. I think time is on their side. And they know it.

Western Europe isn't Serbia or Russia. The common man in the west doesn't want the EU, and they certainly won't support genocide in Catalonia to maintain it (or for any other reason).
I, personally, am (nearly always) on the Local Control side of things, which is why, if I was "Spain", I'd grant Catalonia their "chosen devolved status" and do everything I could possibly do to help make Catalonia make as much money for Spain, and themselves of course, as possible.

But,.. since it's doubtful that Spain is "as smart" as I am <cough!>, we shall have to see what happens.

We'll also see what the "youth" and the "oldsters" have to say, respectively, about EU unity, as I get the distinct impression that most of the "youth" are die hard unity supporters, whilst about half the "oldsters" are unity supporters.

I could be wrong, again, though.

Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by Not a Catalan » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:15 am

FishbellykanakaDude wrote:My question is what will keep the resistance fires burning when the national authorities turn off EVERYTHING (power, water, finance, food, etc) within the rebel state?

Will it come from outside Spain? Will Catalonia go completely guerrilla rogue and mount an underground insurgency? Will the "youth" REALLY forego their "soft life" to live as post-apocalyptic zombie killers and Negan Army Unit (National Police) hunters, while their "buds" across the French border are instagraming them from the cafe?
If-IF-- Spain cuts off everything the Catalans will freeze, starve with children, and die because the medical system will collapse this winter; that will be tantamount to genocide. It will be impossible for the Catalans to ever live side by side with the Spanish again. Not even the crap eating and spewing EU will get away with supporting that because the European people will rebel against it. Let the Spaniards show their true colors.

The Catalans might be on to something here. I think time is on their side. And they know it.

Western Europe isn't Serbia or Russia. The common man in the west doesn't want the EU, and they certainly won't support genocide in Catalonia to maintain it (or for any other reason).

Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by FishbellykanakaDude » Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:31 am

John wrote:
Guest wrote: > It looks like the two dueling parliaments have passed their two
> dueling resolutions. Next week, the two "pure" sides will be at
> each other's throat.


> Do you think violent civil war is possible?
FishbellykanakaDude wrote:
> No. But "National Police on Local Police" violence is possible.

> ... if the local population doesn't MIND
> being slaughtered, and the national police don't MIND slaughtering
> them, THEN there is a possibility of civil war (rather more by
> definition, than anything else), but "party time" tends to end
> when you find you don't have a bed to go home to to sleep it off.

> The "existential anxiety" simply isn't there.
I'm not so sure you're right about that. ... Video showed people being kicked and thrown and
women pulled by their hair away from the polling stations, followed by
reports of a general feeling in Madrid that "They deserve it."

And then we have a couple of comments in this thread seemingly
expressing the same attitude.

It's been 78 years since the Spanish Civil War ended. It's time for
the next round. ...
I could easily be wrong, of course, as I have no good "existential anxiety" meter on the Spanish "sides".

My question is what will keep the resistance fires burning when the national authorities turn off EVERYTHING (power, water, finance, food, etc) within the rebel state?

Will it come from outside Spain? Will Catalonia go completely guerrilla rogue and mount an underground insurgency? Will the "youth" REALLY forego their "soft life" to live as post-apocalyptic zombie killers and Negan Army Unit (National Police) hunters, while their "buds" across the French border are instagraming them from the cafe?

Let's hear from some actual Catalans. I'll believe "it", whatever "it" is, when I see it.

Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by Guest » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:07 am

Evora wrote:
VIVA FRANCO wrote:It's all over except for a few doses of humiliation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8MWXTSh74M
Dear Spanish brothers and sisters, my deepest respects go to Francisco Franco, Emilio Mola, Jose Antonio and all of the other heroes of Spain. If you need any help to stop the rag-waving Catalan riff-raff, just give a shout and legions of men will join you.



You've got a couple ripe ones here...

Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by John » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:40 am

Guest wrote: > It looks like the two dueling parliaments have passed their two
> dueling resolutions. Next week, the two "pure" sides will be at
> each other's throat.


> Do you think violent civil war is possible?
FishbellykanakaDude wrote:
> No. But "National Police on Local Police" violence is possible.

> It's a party at this point. if the local population doesn't MIND
> being slaughtered, and the national police don't MIND slaughtering
> them, THEN there is a possibility of civil war (rather more by
> definition, than anything else), but "party time" tends to end
> when you find you don't have a bed to go home to to sleep it off.

> The "existential anxiety" simply isn't there.
I'm not so sure you're right about that. On referendum day, there was
a lot of unnecessary physical violence by the national police directed
at the Catalans. Video showed people being kicked and thrown and
women pulled by their hair away from the polling stations, followed by
reports of a general feeling in Madrid that "They deserve it."

And then we have a couple of comments in this thread seemingly
expressing the same attitude.

It's been 78 years since the Spanish Civil War ended. It's time for
the next round. And to those people hoping to see the Catalans
violently subdued, always remember the old saying:

Be careful what you wish for, because you may get it.

Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by Guest » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:30 am

I admire the Catalan movement's tactics: be patient.

Make a dictator act like a dictator. For the world to see.

Good job.

Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by Evora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:04 am

VIVA FRANCO wrote:It's all over except for a few doses of humiliation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8MWXTSh74M
Dear Spanish brothers and sisters, my deepest respects go to Francisco Franco, Emilio Mola, Jose Antonio and all of the other heroes of Spain. If you need any help to stop the rag-waving Catalan riff-raff, just give a shout and legions of men will join you.

Re: 1-Oct-17 World View -- Catalonia referendum poised to go ahead despite Spain's harsh repressive measures

by FishbellykanakaDude » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:20 pm

Guest wrote:It looks like the two dueling parliaments have passed their two
dueling resolutions. Next week, the two "pure" sides will be at each
other's throat.


Do you think violent civil war is possible?
No. But "National Police on Local Police" violence is possible.

It's a party at this point. if the local population doesn't MIND being slaughtered, and the national police don't MIND slaughtering them, THEN there is a possibility of civil war (rather more by definition, than anything else), but "party time" tends to end when you find you don't have a bed to go home to to sleep it off.

The "existential anxiety" simply isn't there.

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