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Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by John » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:00 pm

michael wrote: > I've been meaning to take up Spanish for a few years now (guess I
> put it off a bit too long) but as you say, speaking the language
> won't stop me from being an outsider. One more variable to
> consider I suppose.
It's always a good idea to have some ability in the local language,
even if you can't speak it fluently. The issue is that people will
talk about you right in front of you, if they believe you can't
understand them. So if you can say a few words, and you can
understand a few things, they won't know whether you understand them
or not.

My mother always liked to tell the story of the time she was visiting
Athens. Although she spoke and understood Greek, she always spoke
English when she could while in Athens. So she was in a shop, and the
two clerks started making fun of her in Greek, laughing about the
smelly breath of Americans. She understood every word, and furiously
told them that if she has smelly breath it was because of the smelly
food she ate in Greece, some of which had been purchased in that very
shop. Good times!

Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by michael » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:03 pm

Guest wrote:You have a great skill. If you're good at it, you will always have work.

I personally wouldn't choose South America, but if I had to make a choice, I would stick to Uruguay, Chile, or Argentina. Let me be blunt and say avoid any country with a large black (Brazil) or native Indian population. The larger those populations are, the most problems there are. The farther south you go, the better off you will be. Keep in mind, you are a foreigner. You might not get the reception you are hoping for. Do you speak Spanish?

I think you are hoping to relocate and build a new life in a semi-functioning society. Try New Zealand, but head to the southern islands. Auckland is brimming with migrants. Multiculturalism doesn't work. Multiracial societies within one culture can work, but multicultural societies lack social cohesion. In a severe crisis, that will lead to disorder and societal break down. Southern NZ is earthquake prone, so the migrants have avoided it for the most part. The Maori hate immigrants, especially the Chinese.

I would stay with your own kind and avoid a lot of trouble.
Yeah NZ is my first choice at the moment. Funnily enough I was on the south island when Christchurch had it's first earthquake. It was big shock, at the time no one knew they had built the place on a fault line.

You make a good point about multiculturalism. I'm pretty liberal and I think it's a great thing...if you live in a PROSPEROUS country. First sign of economic trouble and all the different ethnic groups start to hate one another. (As we've seen here with Brexit: You can't hate that big invisible government/corporate force that made you poor but you can hate your loudmouth foreign neighbours who don't seem to understand good English manners.) I've been meaning to take up Spanish for a few years now (guess I put it off a bit too long) but as you say, speaking the language won't stop me from being an outsider. One more variable to consider I suppose.

As for the topic of a quick or slow death...yeah I used to think that way too. But odds are if your city gets hit by a nuke it won't be quick. The majority of deaths are from the larger blast radius. Have a look at some of the paintings done by the survivors (for a short time) of Hiroshima. Bright red figures with their skin burnt off, holding bright red children and bright red baby corpses, streams of blood everywhere...I don't want to die like that. I'll take my chances in whatever remains of society away from the bombs, if I can.

Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by gerald » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:12 pm

BUT we must not forget the JOKER in the deck or if you prefer, the hidden hand, or not so hidden if acknowledged.

"Changes in the earth’s magnetic field have been shown to affect human heart rhythms and have been associated with the following: changes in brain and nervous-system activity; athletic performance, memory and other tasks; synthesis of nutrients in plants and algae; the number of reported traffic violations and accidents; mortality from heart attacks and strokes; and incidence of depression and suicide." https://www.heartmath.org/research/global-coherence/

"Does the sun influence historical events?" "From the list above, subjective and incomplete as it is, curious correspondence is seen between historical events and moments of maxima of solar activity." http://www.oa.uj.edu.pl/A.Michalec/history.html

"Scientists and Studies predict ‘imminent global COOLING’ ahead – Drop in global temps ‘almost a slam dunk’" http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/06/29/ ... slam-dunk/

The above is just BS

The SUN has nothing to do with climate, etc.

Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by Tom Mazanec » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:42 pm

Well, I am a Catholic, so I hope I have a few hours to prepare for death to try to make a perfect contrition. If I suffer, I hope I have the Grace to offer it up for my sins.
I am not a prepper or survivalist. You have to be tough to be, and I am not tough. Not that I am a coward...I like to think I would be able to be a martyr for my Faith, but I just can't see killing someone over a sack of rice. Thank God I am single and have no wife or children to be responsible for.

Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by Guest » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:55 am

if there is a nuclear war, I don't want to survive it. No way. I have no interest in living in a post-apocalyptic world. What kind of life would that be? People really need to think 'surviving' over very carefully. If I do survive the nuclear blasts, I hope the radiation kills me quickly. Man, I just hope I die.

Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by gerald » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:01 pm

It is all great to run and hide, If you can find a good place to hide and long term survive.
But there is a little question of "health" or should I say the lack of need for "medical assistance"

Which is preferable, a quick or slow death?
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In the 1950's as a child I saw maps of nuclear blast zones for the US , that is if we had a war with the Soviet Union, I would have been "gone "in such a case. Many people were very concerned, I was not.

Currently, I find events very interesting. I have a feeling that people do not know the game that is in play, nor do they know "who" the major players are. -- How many times does one have to run around the block before one learns?

As Spock would say, Fascinating.

Cheers

Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by CH86 » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:25 pm

The North Koreans are the fools. And now they will have to face the power of the world superpower, the US military who has finally lost patience with them and called their bluff.

Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by Guest » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:21 am

You have a great skill. If you're good at it, you will always have work.

I personally wouldn't choose South America, but if I had to make a choice, I would stick to Uruguay, Chile, or Argentina. Let me be blunt and say avoid any country with a large black (Brazil) or native Indian population. The larger those populations are, the most problems there are. The farther south you go, the better off you will be. Keep in mind, you are a foreigner. You might not get the reception you are hoping for. Do you speak Spanish?

I think you are hoping to relocate and build a new life in a semi-functioning society. Try New Zealand, but head to the southern islands. Auckland is brimming with migrants. Multiculturalism doesn't work. Multiracial societies within one culture can work, but multicultural societies lack social cohesion. In a severe crisis, that will lead to disorder and societal break down. Southern NZ is earthquake prone, so the migrants have avoided it for the most part. The Maori hate immigrants, especially the Chinese.

I would stay with your own kind and avoid a lot of trouble.

Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by michael » Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:05 am

Great points.
Guest wrote:I plan to be mobile. I have survived dire situations. I have always regretted some of the places and events I put myself in. For a long time I had wished that I hadn't gone through them. But now, with the world on the brink, I believe that these traumatic experiences have left me psychologically prepared for what is probably to come.

...

Have I prepped? Not really. I've never been in a bad situation that allowed anyone to stay put.
These are my thoughts exactly: Mobility. Even if I had access to a private field of crops I would never feel safe and staying in one place wouldn't give me anything to live for. I have been in traumatic situations where I could only depend on myself and survived. I have had no problems in the past with staying moving and cutting close friends out of my life when I realised they were holding me back. I think this outsider perspective is the reason why I am the only person I know who realises how bad things have become.

I don't think I've been very clear in what I'm trying to say. My intention isn't to join a survivalist community at the last minute and mooch off their hard work. It is simply to be living in an area where I have a better chance of survival than I do right now. Regardless of where I am when society collapses I will have to stay moving. But today, right now, I could go to the airport and fly to a continent of my choice. Somewhere that is even slightly less likely to be hit hard by fallout/famine/mass migrations of people.

why I'm thinking the southern hemisphere would be a good starting point:
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/nwfz

for what it's worth, I mostly work as a handyman/carpenter

Re: 14-Apr-17 World View -- North Korea's neighbors tense as the 'Day of the Sun' approaches on Saturday / China's tripw

by Guest » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:06 am

There must be isolated communities somewhere with a more localised food supply which have a higher chance of survival.
There are isolated communities, but they don't advertise. These people are survivalists. They know what would happen if word got out about their redoubt. Imagine an ocean liner is torpedoed in the Atlantic and a lifeboat full of people hears the cries of a thousand passengers shouting for help, what do you think they would do? They would row in the opposite direction to avoid being swamped and sunk.

It's probably too late in the game to find one now. If you could, only your skills would be evaluated for admission. Are you a medical professional? A carpenter? A tailor? A farmer? That's all that will matter. An extra can of beans won't mean anything.
Bud, when you panic, everyone else will be too!


Consider this to be Rule #1
I don't think it's completely ridiculous to think that this denial will continue, even as these events are _starting_ to play out (and are being downplayed by said media). Just being slightly more aware and being able to get to an airport a few hours earlier could be the difference between life and death.
Things already are in motion.
Anyway I better start learning how to make pemmican and grow potatoes. Out of curiosity, have you done your prepping? Or are you one of the fatalists ;)
I plan to be mobile. I have survived dire situations. I have always regretted some of the places and events I put myself in. For a long time I had wished that I hadn't gone through them. But now, with the world on the brink, I believe that these traumatic experiences have left me psychologically prepared for what is probably to come. I never believed that one day the world would become so bad that my experiences would benefit me. That's how bad things might become. Imagine wishing that you had never been born, and really meaning it. That's how bad it got for me. That's probably how bad it will get for a lot of people. If you were under siege in Syria, you would might feel that way now.

Do I plan to survive? Depends on how bad things get.

Have I prepped? Not really. I've never been in a bad situation that allowed anyone to stay put. I have learned to be mobile. Redoubts are eventually discovered. So are isolated communities. Don't expect a happy ending. happy endings only exist in Hollywood movies.

Take my advice, bullets, beans, and bread won't help you if you break down psychologically. Mental strength has always been more important to survival than physical strength.

Also, reliable friends. One reliable friend is worth more than a thousand untested people. You might have to cut loose friends and even family members if you want to survive. That's harsh, but that's what life has taught me. If you don't trust someone, get away from them immediately.

Ask a Bosnian Muslim refugee what it is like to live in a country that is is utterly obliterated around you; that ceases to exist, that's currency loses all value, where national and local governments fail, and ask them what it is like to be trapped there and what they had to do to survive. That will be you.

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