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Guest wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:38 am

Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:46 am

DaKardii wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:26 am As Taliban Claim Victory In Panjshir, Iran Slams Pakistan Military's Role

This is a turning point. With the Taliban back in control of Afghanistan, Iran is now resetting its foreign policy concerning that region to what it was pre-9/11. This means becoming enemies with Pakistan and allies with India.

Such a reset will have enormous consequences for the existing regional alliances. Once Iran becomes an enemy of Pakistan and an ally of India, it will also become an enemy of China. This in turn will result in the Sunni Arab countries (and possibly Israel and Turkey) allying with China, while also contributing to the inevitable Sino-Russian split.

What will this mean for the US? Potentially, very big trouble. If the Sunni Arab countries (especially the Gulf Monarchies) drift into China's orbit, that would pose a serious threat to the petrodollar, and by extension the stability of the US economy. The US has demonstrated multiple times in the past that it is willing to go to war to protect the petrodollar, so any Chinese attempts to destabilize it could lead directly to a Sino-American war.

https://iranintl.com/en/world/taliban-c ... tarys-role

I can see this happening. As usual, though, you overestimate the importance of the "petrodollar."

What will happen if the US is unable to go to war to preserve the petrodollar and oil is sold in some other currency or gold instead of dollars? The world just goes on as it is?

Iran circumvented sanctions by doing it, as did Russia. With the demise of prudent foreign policy came the need. The petrodollar helped the US expand foreign influence but it's been undermined by both internal and external actors weakening the nation. It seems the system has run it's course, war is inevitable with this as one of the reasons, and what happens next for money is good fun to speculate about. Navigator suggested booze, cigarettes and barterable durable goods once. Making it through the hard times will require health, fitness, knowledge, a good social network and proper supplies. Maybe bury some gold and hope to dig it up in 20 years. Like the Romans did long ago.

Biden’s latest remarks on how the rest of the region will ultimately react to the victory of the Taliban demonstrates just how ill-informed he is. Either that, or he’s just lying again.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-paci ... 021-09-07/

FullMoon wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:50 am

Guest wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:38 am

Cool Breeze wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:46 am

I can see this happening. As usual, though, you overestimate the importance of the "petrodollar."

What will happen if the US is unable to go to war to preserve the petrodollar and oil is sold in some other currency or gold instead of dollars? The world just goes on as it is?

Iran circumvented sanctions by doing it, as did Russia. With the demise of prudent foreign policy came the need. The petrodollar helped the US expand foreign influence but it's been undermined by both internal and external actors weakening the nation. It seems the system has run it's course, war is inevitable with this as one of the reasons, and what happens next for money is good fun to speculate about. Navigator suggested booze, cigarettes and barterable durable goods once. Making it through the hard times will require health, fitness, knowledge, a good social network and proper supplies. Maybe bury some gold and hope to dig it up in 20 years. Like the Romans did long ago.

Your opinion seems to be the opposite of the other guy. If oil is no longer sold in dollars, it's time to bury gold and go into your bunker because we're going to way of Rome? I think you may be right!

Guest wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:14 am

FullMoon wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:50 am

Guest wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:38 am


What will happen if the US is unable to go to war to preserve the petrodollar and oil is sold in some other currency or gold instead of dollars? The world just goes on as it is?

Iran circumvented sanctions by doing it, as did Russia. With the demise of prudent foreign policy came the need. The petrodollar helped the US expand foreign influence but it's been undermined by both internal and external actors weakening the nation. It seems the system has run it's course, war is inevitable with this as one of the reasons, and what happens next for money is good fun to speculate about. Navigator suggested booze, cigarettes and barterable durable goods once. Making it through the hard times will require health, fitness, knowledge, a good social network and proper supplies. Maybe bury some gold and hope to dig it up in 20 years. Like the Romans did long ago.

Your opinion seems to be the opposite of the other guy. If oil is no longer sold in dollars, it's time to bury gold and go into your bunker because we're going to way of Rome? I think you may be right!

And the Dark Ages followed the fall of the Roman Empire.

Another guest wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:20 am

Guest wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:14 am

FullMoon wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:50 am
Iran circumvented sanctions by doing it, as did Russia. With the demise of prudent foreign policy came the need. The petrodollar helped the US expand foreign influence but it's been undermined by both internal and external actors weakening the nation. It seems the system has run it's course, war is inevitable with this as one of the reasons, and what happens next for money is good fun to speculate about. Navigator suggested booze, cigarettes and barterable durable goods once. Making it through the hard times will require health, fitness, knowledge, a good social network and proper supplies. Maybe bury some gold and hope to dig it up in 20 years. Like the Romans did long ago.

Your opinion seems to be the opposite of the other guy. If oil is no longer sold in dollars, it's time to bury gold and go into your bunker because we're going to way of Rome? I think you may be right!

And the Dark Ages followed the fall of the Roman Empire.

John and Navigator think it will be about 20 years of extreme difficulty, and then a beginning of a better world. We can plan for and hope, for the children, that it will be better world. Making it through the difficulties won't be easy or pleasant.

** 08-Sep-2021 World View: Contradictions in Afghanistan

#1: The Taliban desperately needed to appear to form of a government
of inclusivity -- containing women and minority ethnic groups (like
Tajiks, Hazaras, and Uzbek) -- because that's the only way to satisfy
international demands, and free up billions of dollars of money in aid
and development assistance. However, the government they're
announcing as not inclusive at all, containing only Pashtun men. The
leaders are Gitmo escapees and others on terror watch lists in the US,
the UN, and the EU. What's the cause of this contradiction?
According to one analyst, the reason that this contradiction exists is
that the Taliban is factional, and bringing women or minorities into
the government will cause conflict within the Taliban.

#2: There are some American citizens trapped in the Mazar-i-Sharif
airport, in six planeloads ready to take off, but not being allowed to
take off. Nominally, it's the Taliban preventing them from taking off
because they don't all have the proper documents. However, there are
numerous reports that the US State Dept. is preventing them from
taking off. What's the cause of this contradiction? It's being
explained that the State Dept. is preventing the planes from taking
off because they're afraid that there's a terrorist on board, and
since all American officials and forces were withdrawn on 8/30, there
is no way to vet the passengers.

Apparently there is no obvious resolution to either of these
contractions, except to negotiate with the Taliban. In the meantime,
there is growing starvation, as the currency and economy are
collapsing without foreign cash. The UN says that the country will
run out of food by the end of the month.

Joe Biden's "Mission Accomplished!" speech is scheduled for Saturday.

** 08-Sep-2021 World View: Soros turns farther away from China

For decades, far-left George Soros has been the leading Western
champion of Communist society, and contemptuous of the political right
in America and the West.

So a lot of people were shocked in January 2019, when Soros gave a
speech to the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland, in
which he launched a scathing attack on the the Chinese Communist
China.

** 27-Jan-19 World View -- George Soros speech at Davos marks significant global shift against China
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e190127


Soros thus did a 180 degree U-turn on China, and the major motivating
factors were Xi Jinping's policies, especially the "social credit
system," which created a huge database of everyone in China to use AI
to control

> 'The social credit system is not yet fully
> operational, but it’s clear where it’s heading. It will
> subordinate the fate of the individual to the interests of the
> one-party state in ways unprecedented in history. I find the
> social credit system frightening and abhorrent."

In that speech, Soros also was critical of the Belt and Road
Initiative (BRI), and its use of "debt-trap diplomacy."

> "It was designed to promote the interests of China,
> not the interests of the recipient countries; its ambitious
> infrastructure projects were mainly financed by loans, not by
> grants, and foreign officials were often bribed to accept
> them. Many of these projects proved to be
> uneconomic."

He specifically mentioned the cases in Sri Lanka, Malaysia, and
Pakistan -- where it's turning into a military project.

Even more suprisingly, Soros went on to priase Donald Trump and Mike
Pence for standing up to China.

Soros's WSJ article that was posted in this thread yesterday is his
latest wide-ranging criticism of China. His attack on BlackRock is
apparently an attempt to convince EVERYONE to stop investing in China,
because if you do so then you'll lose money, and because it threatens
the West:

> "The BlackRock initiative imperils the national
> security interests of the U.S. and other democracies because the
> money invested in China will help prop up President Xi’s regime,
> which is repressive at home and aggressive abroad.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/blackrock- ... 1630938728

Why did Soros flip now?

Guest wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:40 pmWhy did Soros flip now?

There are some who contend Soros is a 'globalist' and China is having nothing to do with it. Our country is being subverted for globalist objectives they would contend. It's possible given conditions we're witnessing?

American society is becoming an increasingly totalitarian. I'm at a loss for words.