Re: Financial topics
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:06 pm
Most will not risk the year on this week. We can watch the quants kill the market....
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John wrote: I don't know about all of you, but it makes me want to vomit.
This is my take on what might be making the more thoughtful folks on this forum ill.Higgenbotham wrote: Looking at what I just posted, I'm feeling a little queasy myself.
That's part 1 and part 2 is what is on the Fed balance sheet which represents the alternative to depositors who want to make an exit from these institutions. We could start by saying that depositors now have every reason to want to do so. In other words, impetus has been created for bank runs, or for riots and civil unrest if they refuse to give it. Looking at the Fed balance sheet, we see another tangled up mess. For those who like gold, there is gold listed there and at first glance one would say it is miniscule, but that's not the case as it is valued on the balance sheet at "face value" of $42.22 and, at today's price, the Federal Reserve Notes are about 40% gold backed. Moving to some of the other line items we notice there are no short term bills anymore and we know the Fed has moved out on the curve with operation twist, as well as posted MBS as collateral at, once again, "face value" so those holdings are subject to depreciation. In a deflation, if gold were to collapse and bonds were to default, the notes might actually end up to be of little value compared to t-bills but in any case it is going to get very messy.Reality Check wrote:This is my take on what might be making the more thoughtful folks on this forum ill.
I can imagine multiple different reasons people might be rolling out these regulations, and for writing the law that enabled the regulations.Higgenbotham wrote: ...
depositors who want to make an exit from these institutions. We could start by saying that depositors now have every reason to want to do so. In other words, impetus has been created for bank runs, or for riots and civil unrest if they refuse to give it.
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That is the part I just do not fully ( or more likely, even partially ) comprehend.Higgenbotham wrote:That's part 1 and part 2 is what is on the Fed balance sheet which represents the alternative to depositors who want to make an exit from these institutionsReality Check wrote:This is my take on what might be making the more thoughtful folks on this forum ill.
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Looking at the Fed balance sheet, we see another tangled up mess. For those who like gold, there is gold listed there and at first glance one would say it is miniscule, but that's not the case as it is valued on the balance sheet at "face value" of $42.22 and, at today's price, the Federal Reserve Notes are about 40% gold backed. Moving to some of the other line items we notice there are no short term bills anymore and we know the Fed has moved out on the curve with operation twist, as well as posted MBS as collateral at, once again, "face value" so those holdings are subject to depreciation. In a deflation, if gold were to collapse and bonds were to default, the notes might actually end up to be of little value compared to t-bills but in any case it is going to get very messy.
Which brings us back to this type of planning:aedens wrote:If a event is triggered in that context the next issue would be sticks and stones resolved anyway.
The whole format is what it is. Fuedal, since the intent never changed in the contruct of common law
status. Also that gets back to the definition of currency and gun powder backing it all over again.
Alpha monkeys and fiat has a intrinsic value of zero.
That's my guess, yes. The longer things are controlled and made more complicated, interdependent, and opaque, then the more unpredictable and messier the results will be when the gerry rigged mess comes unglued. Even those of us who have been studying for a long time have no agreement as to the best course of action. But, as Mohammed El-Erian recently advised, "Indeed, as a famous investor once observed, the rational thing to do when you see a line outside a bank is to join it; and if you do not have your deposits at that bank, go quickly to where you do and join the line there." Good advice I would say. Likewise, if you start to see people selling stocks, it might be a good idea to join them, etc. John calls it generational panic.Reality Check wrote:But as you say, or at least my understanding of what you are saying, is that both the timing and the results of this may not be as controllable as some would hope.
The size of what I posted from the Fed's balance sheet only matches the Federal Reserve Notes in circulation (which are required by law to be collateralized). Collateralized means one dollar of currency in circulation has one dollar face value of dollar denominated assets offsetting it (or backing it). The collateral is the assets of the Fed. The Federal Reserve Notes are the liabilities of the Fed. So what you have underlying a Federal Reserve Note is some gold, some long term US government bonds, etc. Agencies are the mortgages issued by Fannie Mae, etc., whereas MBS are the securitized mortgages issued by private financial institutions.Reality Check wrote:That is the part I just do not fully ( or more likely, even partially ) comprehend.