9-Aug-17 World View -- China threatens India, as Trump threatens North Korea / China sets apparent Aug 19 deadline

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FishbellykanakaDude

Re: 9-Aug-17 World View -- China threatens India, as Trump threatens North Korea / China sets apparent Aug 19 deadline

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Coordinated fires wrote:Relax, nothing is going to happen because rational actors.
Does "rational actors" equal "reasons"?

..inexplicable, unspecified, magical, unicorn fart -like, "reasons"?

I'm puttin' (not Putin!) my money on unicorn farts!

..smells like VICTORY... or perhaps Teen Spirit,.. not quite sure which.
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Re: 9-Aug-17 World View -- China threatens India, as Trump threatens North Korea / China sets apparent Aug 19 deadline

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FishbellykanakaDude wrote:
Coordinated fires wrote:Relax, nothing is going to happen because rational actors.
Does "rational actors" equal "reasons"?

..inexplicable, unspecified, magical, unicorn fart -like, "reasons"?

I'm puttin' (not Putin!) my money on unicorn farts!

..smells like VICTORY... or perhaps Teen Spirit,.. not quite sure which.
Correct.
Politics is war by other means
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Re: 9-Aug-17 World View -- China threatens India, as Trump threatens North Korea / China sets apparent Aug 19 deadline

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Coordinated fires wrote: > John, In your view is it possible for a crisis era to end without
> war? Is there any precedent for this and if so, how was war
> averted?

> Also, what is your view regarding Strauss and Howe's generational
> archetype framework, describing how individuals actually move
> through the historical cycle and in turn help shape it. I'm
> finding it somewhat counter intuitive and I haven't seen you refer
> to it much in your articles. It's sort of a paradox that the
> individual can not alter the zeitgeist, yet it is individuals,
> through their individual actions and attitudes, that define
> it.
I just wrote a lengthy post answering a lot of these questions:

http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 541#p35541
FishbellykanakaDude

Re: 9-Aug-17 World View -- China threatens India, as Trump threatens North Korea / China sets apparent Aug 19 deadline

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John wrote:
Coordinated fires wrote: > John, In your view is it possible for a crisis era to end without
> war? ...
I just wrote a lengthy post answering a lot of these questions:

http://gdxforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 541#p35541
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John wrote:The shading (above) indicates that during the crisis era, all generations are
unified behind the leader, and there are no serious differences
between the generations. Starting with the Recovery (Austerity) era,
new generations come of age that are distinctly different from the
unified generations of the crisis war.
In an era of "over extended crisis", where the climax event somehow "refuses" to happen, the "Youth Artist" box/group simply gets more "dense in it's population and shading", meaning that more young people fill that "box" that would otherwise have been "fed/routed" into the "Youth Prophet" box.

By "dense in it's shading" I mean that there is a MORE DENSE POPULATION of UNIFIED YOUTH in the "Youth Artist" box than is "normal".

This has the effect of "further pressurizing", with added youthful energy, the NATIONALISM (unity) that fuels the crisis. It also STARVES the (post climax) upcoming "Youth Prophet" box (population), which will mean that there are FEWER "non-unified" people bucking their conformist society post climax.

Super pressurized nationalism BEFORE the crisis climax means the climax will be more explosive.

Under pressurized non-conformism AFTER the crisis climax means that nationalism (conformity) will be more prevalent.

This "conformist nationalistic artistic-group" bulge has an interesting effect:
*) Austerity Era: Conformity and Power are very predominant values. Authoritarianism is "promoted".
*) Awakening Era: Idealism and Narcissism are persecuted/"frowned upon". The normally indecisive and busy/overworked elders are "toughened" by their exposure to increased authoritarianism into being more stubborn and entrenched in their "ways", more heavily suppressing the "Awakening/Idealistic" parts of society.
*) Unraveling Era: Morality is at a low ebb, while alienated younger parents overprotect their spoiled children, and the elders wield a very heavy hand on the "rules of behavior" of society.
*) (Next) Crisis Era: Authoritarianism has died (not "is dying"), and is "replaced"/inherited by immoral weak leaders who are constantly harried/harassed by "newly freed slaves" and their "spoiled but muscular" children. These "pissed off pragmatic reactionaries" replace/"kill off" their weak leaders very early in the "crisis era", forming a very "family oriented morally renewed" state with very young leadership, ready for battle (or "muscular non-battle") as a family against their "natural enemies" of the day.

Basically, the "nationalistic population pressure bulge" in the "Youth Artist" box creates a "partial vacuum" in the "Youth Prophet" box, which creates a "leadership deficit" during the next crisis era, which transforms their society significantly and MAY de-sync their society's GenDynamic timeline by "skipping" the need for an external "Crisis Era" (at the early destruction of their immoral weak leaders), sliding directly into a "weak" Austerity Era.

The "Crisis Era" ends without a typical Crisis Event, but the INTERNAL "killing off" of their despised "weak immoral leaders", who are THEIR FATHERS may actually be traumatic enough to count as a "genocidal crisis event".

..so,.. whatcha think Sensei? :)

Aloha nui ever'body!
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Re: 9-Aug-17 World View -- China threatens India, as Trump threatens North Korea / China sets apparent Aug 19 deadline

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Cant sleep wrote:Aren't any of you afraid? I've had this disconcerting feeling for the last few days. I don't want to die. Tomorrow I'm going to eat BBQ ribs for lunch and have steak for dinner. I haven't eaten either in a long time. I don't know what to write. My mother told me my grandparents were afraid when they heard about Pearl Harbor. It was terrifying. In 1941, no one really knew if America would win. I don't think anyone will win this time. I can't sleep. I just stare out the window. How can you people joke about this?
If you're afraid to die, meditating on the death process may help you. There are several variations online. I would do this at night as I lay in bed. It's helped me immensely. I used to be nearly paralyzed thinking about dying. Now I'm looking forward to the process--I just hope I can stay focused and enjoy the experience.

I don't want to go out the same way I came in--screaming and crying. :D

Hope this helps.
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