9-Jul-14 World View -- Mideast war or peace? It all depends

[Guest]

The one thing wrong with Generational Dynamics theory is it does not account for religion. I am 100% backer of Generational Dynamics except when it comes to Israel who is Yahweh's chosen people, even though they don't act like it, nor does the Israel people have any desire to be protected as they can defend themselves, He would not let the region be trampled on my Esau's and Ishmael's ancestors. I don't want to enter in a debate of who belv's in what. I'm just saying that comparing Israel's 7.8 million versus 123.2 million Arabs and giving the victory to the Arabs is a bit premature. Just sit back and watch what happens.

Hmmm. So this is Plan B?

[Guest]

I'll try to explain this in more detail in a future article. The
salient point is that this is a generational crisis era, and so things
are very different than they were in previous wars. Israelis are too
overconfident, as they're making exactly the same erroneous
assumptions that you are -- that Israel won the past wars, and
therefore will win this war. If the Arabs turn against each other,
then Israel may survive. If the Arabs all turn against Israel, then
Israel won't survive. However, all wars eventually end, and crisis
wars particularly end with a compromise that supposedly guarantees
that no such war will ever happen again.

I would respond by saying that you have no idea what Yahweh's plan is.
Perhaps his plan is to let the region be trampled on by Esau's and
Ishmael's ancestors, so that a new Israel can rise from the ashes.
That would be completely in the spirit of many historical Biblical
stories.

People should remember what happened to the Israelis in Lebanon in 2006: The Israelis got their heads handed to them. Racist contempt for Arabs almost cost them the war in the Sinai. (That's what senior Israeli generals have even stated. Israel has long had a qualitative advantage in weapons, but the Arabs have learned from past defeats while most Israelis have become extremely arrogant.

Personally, I think Israel is on track to lose. The geopolitical situation is changing. America is broke and lead by someone who doesn't buy into Israeli myths. Americans are trying to survive day to day, and bankrupt Europeans couldn't care less. Israel has never been so isolated as it now.

Who knows, maybe the Jews are due for another period of captivity?

[psCargile]

The Arab advange is that they do not oppose total war. The rest of the world tries to avoid killing civilians and other non-combatants at its peril. Wars are won when one side is too demorilized to fight, no matter how advanced their weapons are; if you have lost the wherewithal to use them, you have lost. We will not beat this enemy until we decimate their populations by any means necessary. They certainly plan to do that to us. To all of us infidel.

[NoOneImportant]

PsCargile wrote:

The rest of the world tries to avoid killing civilians and other non-combatants at its peril. Wars are won when one side is too demorilized to fight, no matter how advanced their weapons are; if you have lost the wherewithal to use them, you have lost. We will not beat this enemy until we decimate their populations by any means necessary. They certainly plan to do that to us. To all of us infidel.

I second that. It is the reason the Israeli/Muslim conflict is interminable. Sounds rather bloodthirsty, but it's a simple fact. Japan ceased resisting in WW-II not just because of the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. In fact, those two cities were selected as targets because of their relative lack of destruction. Prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, one raid alone against Tokyo burned 16 sq. miles of the city. Eighty percent of every major Japanese population center was made rubble from the air. Hiroshima, and Nagasaki, were a punctuation for the Japanese: continue to resist and all would cease to exist. Defeat is a mental condition.

[Guest]

"The rest of the world tries to avoid killing civilians and other non-combatants at its peril. Wars are won when one side is too demorilized to fight, no matter how advanced their weapons are; if you have lost the wherewithal to use them, you have lost. We will not beat this enemy until we decimate their populations by any means necessary. They certainly plan to do that to us. To all of us infidel."


Did the Russians avoid widespread bloodshed in Chechnya? No. Did the Serbs avoid killing civilians? No. What part of the "rest of the world" are you talking about? The Israelis have a poor record on this as well. So do the Americans in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Most of the people killed by drones have been civilians. Please spare me the hypocrisy of American/Western/ Christian/Jewish exceptionalism.

[psCargile]

The Rest of The World is those countries that do not practice Total War. America and Israel are not practicing total war when US forces are handicapped by ridiculous rules of engagement in Afghanistan, and Israel is calling Hama leaders to tell them an airstrike on their rocket launch sites are imminent. That's sparing civilian lives for the looking good politically. I think the Muslims are going to attain much of their goals because no one is going to stand against them beyond a half-hearted try.

Total war is genocide. If you're not willing to commit genocide in a crisis war, odds are you are going to lose.

[vincecate]

Does not seem like Egypt will be joining Hamas against Israel:

"The military-led government which came to power in Cairo last year declared Hamas a terrorist organisation, and destroyed most of the smuggling tunnels on which the group relies for weapons and basic goods."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 18962.html

That removes 86.9 million from 123.2 million, leaving just 36.3 million Arabs. None of the other states will join the fight without Egypt, as 36.3 million Arabs is clearly not enough to take on Israel's 7.8 million. So does not look like we get the big war now.

[vincecate]

I think the Muslims are going to attain much of their goals because no one is going to stand against them beyond a half-hearted try.

When the Muslims migrate into Europe and make lots of babies, they really have a good chance of attaining much of their goals.

When Muslims fire un-guided missiles at Israel and Israel replies with drones firing very precise anti-tank missiles, that take out exactly which buildings they want, I don't see Muslims winning. It may take order of 1,000 Israelis to operate these drones that 2 million Arabs can not defend against. I think that no Israelis have been killed so far. Numbers are not that important in the current fight. Israel has to stand against them whole heartedly because they are at risk of getting wiped out. Israel is surrounded, they can not retreat.

[Guest]

The Rest of The World is those countries that do not practice Total War. America and Israel are not practicing total war when US forces are handicapped by ridiculous rules of engagement in Afghanistan, and Israel is calling Hama leaders to tell them an airstrike on their rocket launch sites are imminent. That's sparing civilian lives for the looking good politically. I think the Muslims are going to attain much of their goals because no one is going to stand against them beyond a half-hearted try.

Total war is genocide. If you're not willing to commit genocide in a crisis war, odds are you are going to lose.

Dick Cheney, is that you?

The British medical journal Lancet placed the number of Iraqi dead in the hundreds of thousands back in 2004. An the Lancet spokesman emphasized repeatedly that that was a conservative estimate. With Abu Ghraib only the tip of the iceberg, how much torture and sexual crime was actually committed by American soldiers? Wait! God knows. Maybe that's why America is drowning in debt, illegals, disease, and corruption. Maybe America played a dirty game, and it's all coming home to roost. Betcha never thought of that, wise guy?

[John]

> Does not seem like Egypt will be joining Hamas against Israel:

> "The military-led government which came to power in Cairo last
> year declared Hamas a terrorist organisation, and destroyed most
> of the smuggling tunnels on which the group relies for weapons and
> basic goods."
> http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeas ... 18962.html

> That removes 86.9 million from 123.2 million, leaving just 36.3
> million Arabs. None of the other states will join the fight
> without Egypt, as 36.3 million Arabs is clearly not enough to take
> on Israel's 7.8 million. So does not look like we get the big war
> now.

The fact that the military government calls the Muslim Brotherhood a
terrorist organization does not change the fact that something like
30% of the population belong to MB, and so sentiment towards Israel
could change overnight.