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[Bob Butler]

In the American crisis sequence, the progressive faction has fought for independence, against noble privilege, against slavery, for regulating the economy, for containment. The conservatives fought for noble privilege, for colonial imperialism, for slavery, for isolationism, against regulating the economy. This crisis the progressives want more equality, freedom of choice, against religious doctrine enforced by the government, truth and rule of law.

This hardly means conservatives fight for their predecessor's position. The issues distinctly change from crisis to crisis. The progressive values are generally accepted (except prejudice). No one believes in noble privilege, slavery and an unregulated economy anymore. The progressive values induced by a crisis generally stick, are accepted by the next bunch of conservatives.

I can give conservatives honor for seeking to preserve the best of America, even if this is often progressive values coming from earlier crises. But mostly, they cling to old Agricultural Age flaws which are due to be erased. You can mischaracterize, pretend to believe your own lies. That hardly increases understanding.

[John]

Wednesday, January 04, 2023

Traditionally at peak crisis by S&H
standard, the progressive side wins and
the conservative side degenerates. The
ideals held by the conservatives fall
apart, and the solutions to the crisis
problems become new values. Yes, this
looks different from a conservative
perspective, but this is how America
grows.

Huh? Prior to World War Two, the
so-called progressives favored fascism
because it kept the trains running on
time. After World War Two the so-called
progressives favored communism .

Today, progressives hate capitalism in
favor Of chinas communism, despite the
massive human rights violations, and the
fact that the Chinese are actively
preparing 4 nuclear war against the
United states. . Domestically,
so-called progressives are in favor of
an open border that permits fentanyl to
flood into the country. So-called
progressivesAre also in league with
George Soros 2 Open all the prisons, and
turn every Democrat run city into a war
zone. Their model is the Palestinian
territories. The Democrats lost the
civil war, and want to reignite it , and
to kill off or re-enslave the blacks.

These days, the so-called progressives
are also seemingly in favor of
pedophilia, which I guess isn't
surprising given the massive support
that the Democrats have 4 Violent serial
rapist Bill Clinton and his wife
Hillary.

What you have to remember is that
Strauss and Howe were solid members of
the Democrat party, and so much of their
interpretation of their theory doesn't
make sense because it is too
ideological.

In modern generational theory, there is
no recognition of purely political
constructs like progressive and
conservative. What is recognized are
Fault lines and identity groups, such as
Hutu versus Tutsi, Protestant versus
Catholic, French versus German , Or
Russian versus Chinese.

As usual, typos and errors are the fault
of the dictation and typing
software. I'm just a victim.

[Dickie doo]

Thanks for that clarification John…

[Bob Butler]

Huh?

On Earth One, where we have to deal with reality, the Revolution was about negating noble privilege and freeing the country from colonial imperialism. The Civil War was about freedom for the slaves and industrial over agricultural political power. In FDR’s time progressives wanted to regulate an otherwise failing economy and formalize containment.

You really ought to make a study of history. You seem to find it convenient to forget what the crises were about when it conflicts with your ideology. Putting ideology ahead of history is a good route to a badly flawed understanding of the issues.

There is a confusion with respect to the word ’socialism’. In Europe, its meaning is to help the people. On the other hand, Communists called themselves socialists, but worked to maximize the wealth and influence of themselves. I would of course favor the first meaning and treat the second as propaganda. I’d rather, however, avoid the doubly defined word ‘socialism’. Your position seems to be that working for the people is a crime. That may be your position, but not the progressive position.

The idea that Democrats hate capitalism and are pedophiles are the result of conservatives believing their own lies. You live in a blue place. What evidence to you have of the demonic and baby eating lies? If you can’t criticize the actual policies, you are stuck embracing zero evidence lies? I expect that of others here, a path to take when they are unable to defend supposed positions, but you are usually better than that. Spouting lies just discredits the meaningful aspects of your theories.

Strauss and Howe were conservatives. They initially believed and celebrated that their theory was not ideological. They did not seem to notice that the side pushing change came out ahead in each of their crises. I remember at the Nashville meeting convincing Strauss that their cycle was not a circle but a spiral, that after each crisis American values grew and improved to include the lessons learned from the just completed crisis: independence… freedom… containment. Shortly after that, Strauss warned that crises could be violent and upsetting. Well, yes. The no change faction attempted to preserve things like colonial imperialism, noble privilege and slavery. The very American values of independence and freedom Strauss prized initially were afterwards viewed as risking change.

I see three turnings as stagnant - high, awakening and unraveling - with only the crisis peak favoring change and progress. My crystal ball shows Putin, Xi, Trump and their followers collapsing into various disasters. The majority conservative House of Representatives is just the latest. You will have three turnings of stagnancy in which you can successfully resist change. It is just that at the crisis peak you should lay low. You should listen for the changes being demanded by the people and consider that they are likely reasonable. (Cops shouldn’t kill out of prejudice. Presidents responsible to uphold the law should respect it. Fact checking is necessary, not to be ignored. Elections and the peaceful transfer of power are features of democracy, not bugs.)

I won’t defend every Democratic policy through the recent unraveling and early crisis. Globalism was flawed and hurt American jobs. Campaign contributions were viewed as more important than votes, thus politicians of both parties were working more for the elites and corporations than the voters. Covid illustrated the need to produce necessary stuff inside the US. Unravellings are the time of maximum selfishness, of asking not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you. Go for profits for the elites rather than the good of the country. A crisis flips that.

Granted, civilizations rather than nations often come into conflict. There are core states centering things, with allies that share many values. Ukraine is one example, the Middle East another, Taiwan a third. People do not like being compelled to submit to another culture, but too many autocratic states do wish to compel other cultures. Containment exists in part to give the autocrats pause.

Prejudice and sexism seem to be a conservative constant. From lynching, to stealing native lands, to prohibiting asian women from immigrating to avoiding giving the Irish jobs, the elites have always wanted cheaper labor than those who were already here were willing to accept. Thus far, the elites have won out, encouraged immigration, and watched the angry deplorables cause minority pain. Thus far, this has worked roughly well for America, less well for the minorities. The cheap labor has become available, the deplorables inflamed. The object of the progressives is to get rid of the hate, oppression and pain.

On another note entirely, have you looked for a decent word processor? I use Apple’s TextEdit without any difficulty. Surely you could find something decent?

[Guest]

Huh?

On Earth One, where we have to deal with reality, the Revolution was about negating noble privilege and freeing the country from colonial imperialism. The Civil War was about freedom for the slaves and industrial over agricultural political power. In FDR’s time progressives wanted to regulate an otherwise failing economy and formalize containment.

You really ought to make a study of history. You seem to find it convenient to forget what the crises were about when it conflicts with your ideology. Putting ideology ahead of history is a good route to a badly flawed understanding of the issues.

There is a confusion with respect to the word ’socialism’. In Europe, its meaning is to help the people. On the other hand, Communists called themselves socialists, but worked to maximize the wealth and influence of themselves. I would of course favor the first meaning and treat the second as propaganda. I’d rather, however, avoid the doubly defined word ‘socialism’. Your position seems to be that working for the people is a crime. That may be your position, but not the progressive position.

The idea that Democrats hate capitalism and are pedophiles are the result of conservatives believing their own lies. You live in a blue place. What evidence to you have of the demonic and baby eating lies? If you can’t criticize the actual policies, you are stuck embracing zero evidence lies? I expect that of others here, a path to take when they are unable to defend supposed positions, but you are usually better than that. Spouting lies just discredits the meaningful aspects of your theories.

Strauss and Howe were conservatives. They initially believed and celebrated that their theory was not ideological. They did not seem to notice that the side pushing change came out ahead in each of their crises. I remember at the Nashville meeting convincing Strauss that their cycle was not a circle but a spiral, that after each crisis American values grew and improved to include the lessons learned from the just completed crisis: independence… freedom… containment. Shortly after that, Strauss warned that crises could be violent and upsetting. Well, yes. The no change faction attempted to preserve things like colonial imperialism, noble privilege and slavery. The very American values of independence and freedom Strauss prized initially were afterwards viewed as risking change.

I see three turnings as stagnant - high, awakening and unraveling - with only the crisis peak favoring change and progress. My crystal ball shows Putin, Xi, Trump and their followers collapsing into various disasters. The majority conservative House of Representatives is just the latest. You will have three turnings of stagnancy in which you can successfully resist change. It is just that at the crisis peak you should lay low. You should listen for the changes being demanded by the people and consider that they are likely reasonable. (Cops shouldn’t kill out of prejudice. Presidents responsible to uphold the law should respect it. Fact checking is necessary, not to be ignored. Elections and the peaceful transfer of power are features of democracy, not bugs.)

I won’t defend every Democratic policy through the recent unraveling and early crisis. Globalism was flawed and hurt American jobs. Campaign contributions were viewed as more important than votes, thus politicians of both parties were working more for the elites and corporations than the voters. Covid illustrated the need to produce necessary stuff inside the US. Unravellings are the time of maximum selfishness, of asking not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you. Go for profits for the elites rather than the good of the country. A crisis flips that.

Granted, civilizations rather than nations often come into conflict. There are core states centering things, with allies that share many values. Ukraine is one example, the Middle East another, Taiwan a third. People do not like being compelled to submit to another culture, but too many autocratic states do wish to compel other cultures. Containment exists in part to give the autocrats pause.

Prejudice and sexism seem to be a conservative constant. From lynching, to stealing native lands, to prohibiting asian women from immigrating to avoiding giving the Irish jobs, the elites have always wanted cheaper labor than those who were already here were willing to accept. Thus far, the elites have won out, encouraged immigration, and watched the angry deplorables cause minority pain. Thus far, this has worked roughly well for America, less well for the minorities. The cheap labor has become available, the deplorables inflamed. The object of the progressives is to get rid of the hate, oppression and pain.

On another note entirely, have you looked for a decent word processor? I use Apple’s TextEdit without any difficulty. Surely you could find something decent?

Boomer cuck manifesto, if I have ever read one.

Butler is long in the tooth, so he won't be here for the cannibal collapse (or maybe he will be). I hope he is.

[Bob Butler]

Boomer cuck manifesto, if I have ever read one.

Basically, Putin is stuck in a losing war. Russia needs some way to get out of it. Xi needs western medicines, and is facing numerous unrelated problems. Trump disregarded the law and has significant legal difficulties. The three central backers of conservative thought all took wrong paths. When all these become clear, we can start towards the high, but not before a never again phase cements the solutions to the crisis problems as new values.

You might dream otherwise, but the crystal ball is becoming clearer…

[Tom Mazanec]

Moscow To Supply Tehran With Sukhoi Su-35 Fighter Jets: Report
Sunday, 12/25/2022
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202212255446

Eight wars and peace deals that could happen in 2023
Here is a list of some of the potential Middle East conflicts that could break out and peace deals that might be signed this year.
By SETH J. FRANTZMAN Published: JANUARY 4, 2023 09:47
Updated: JANUARY 4, 2023 22:06
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-726593

Ukraine Latest: NATO Allies Seek Deal to Boost Defense Spending
Bloomberg News
Tue, January 3, 2023 at 3:58 p.m. EST
https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/ukrai ... 37583.html

All Is Not Quiet on the Eastern Front
2022 was the year in which war made a comeback. But Cold War II could become World War III in 2023 — with China as the arsenal of autocracy.
ByNiall Ferguson
January 1, 2023 at 12:00 AM EST
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... l-ferguson

5 minute readJanuary 3, 20232:04 PM ESTLast Updated 2 days ago
Russians furious at commanders over Ukrainian rocket strike that killed scores
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/de ... 023-01-01/

[Cool Breeze]

Huh?

On Earth One, where we have to deal with reality, the Revolution was about negating noble privilege and freeing the country from colonial imperialism. The Civil War was about freedom for the slaves and industrial over agricultural political power. In FDR’s time progressives wanted to regulate an otherwise failing economy and formalize containment.

You really ought to make a study of history. You seem to find it convenient to forget what the crises were about when it conflicts with your ideology. Putting ideology ahead of history is a good route to a badly flawed understanding of the issues.

There is a confusion with respect to the word ’socialism’. In Europe, its meaning is to help the people. On the other hand, Communists called themselves socialists, but worked to maximize the wealth and influence of themselves. I would of course favor the first meaning and treat the second as propaganda. I’d rather, however, avoid the doubly defined word ‘socialism’. Your position seems to be that working for the people is a crime. That may be your position, but not the progressive position.

The idea that Democrats hate capitalism and are pedophiles are the result of conservatives believing their own lies. You live in a blue place. What evidence to you have of the demonic and baby eating lies? If you can’t criticize the actual policies, you are stuck embracing zero evidence lies? I expect that of others here, a path to take when they are unable to defend supposed positions, but you are usually better than that. Spouting lies just discredits the meaningful aspects of your theories.

Strauss and Howe were conservatives. They initially believed and celebrated that their theory was not ideological. They did not seem to notice that the side pushing change came out ahead in each of their crises. I remember at the Nashville meeting convincing Strauss that their cycle was not a circle but a spiral, that after each crisis American values grew and improved to include the lessons learned from the just completed crisis: independence… freedom… containment. Shortly after that, Strauss warned that crises could be violent and upsetting. Well, yes. The no change faction attempted to preserve things like colonial imperialism, noble privilege and slavery. The very American values of independence and freedom Strauss prized initially were afterwards viewed as risking change.

I see three turnings as stagnant - high, awakening and unraveling - with only the crisis peak favoring change and progress. My crystal ball shows Putin, Xi, Trump and their followers collapsing into various disasters. The majority conservative House of Representatives is just the latest. You will have three turnings of stagnancy in which you can successfully resist change. It is just that at the crisis peak you should lay low. You should listen for the changes being demanded by the people and consider that they are likely reasonable. (Cops shouldn’t kill out of prejudice. Presidents responsible to uphold the law should respect it. Fact checking is necessary, not to be ignored. Elections and the peaceful transfer of power are features of democracy, not bugs.)

I won’t defend every Democratic policy through the recent unraveling and early crisis. Globalism was flawed and hurt American jobs. Campaign contributions were viewed as more important than votes, thus politicians of both parties were working more for the elites and corporations than the voters. Covid illustrated the need to produce necessary stuff inside the US. Unravellings are the time of maximum selfishness, of asking not what you can do for your country, but what your country can do for you. Go for profits for the elites rather than the good of the country. A crisis flips that.

Granted, civilizations rather than nations often come into conflict. There are core states centering things, with allies that share many values. Ukraine is one example, the Middle East another, Taiwan a third. People do not like being compelled to submit to another culture, but too many autocratic states do wish to compel other cultures. Containment exists in part to give the autocrats pause.

Prejudice and sexism seem to be a conservative constant. From lynching, to stealing native lands, to prohibiting asian women from immigrating to avoiding giving the Irish jobs, the elites have always wanted cheaper labor than those who were already here were willing to accept. Thus far, the elites have won out, encouraged immigration, and watched the angry deplorables cause minority pain. Thus far, this has worked roughly well for America, less well for the minorities. The cheap labor has become available, the deplorables inflamed. The object of the progressives is to get rid of the hate, oppression and pain.

On another note entirely, have you looked for a decent word processor? I use Apple’s TextEdit without any difficulty. Surely you could find something decent?

Boomer cuck manifesto, if I have ever read one.

Butler is long in the tooth, so he won't be here for the cannibal collapse (or maybe he will be). I hope he is.

Can you imagine him and the reaction when Jamal is hungry and has even less to lose?

[Cool Breeze]

What you have to remember is that
Strauss and Howe were solid members of
the Democrat party, and so much of their
interpretation of their theory doesn't
make sense because it is too
ideological.

I wanted your opinion on these two, because the physiognomy of Howe is that of a weakling, a version of bish, which is no coincidence. I don't see them make any real predictions, anyhow. I've given you a hard enough time about predictions, but if you are a 6 out of 10, they are almost zero, or 1. I've defended you in that regard, it's like night and day. They wrote a book and it is largely nonsensical for many reasons you point out (they are different around the world, these cycles), except for the fact that they just say, "Oh look, another cycle happened."

They could have written just 1 page that said, hey, have you noticed like any other student of history has, that every 80 years there tends to be major change in societies, often in the form of bad wars?

Again, if predictions aren't even helped by a theory, the book is just entertainment. Howe shows he's essentially a talking head, or a bish pussy, by not actually ever saying anything or predicting anything at all. He has hour long interviews where he says basically nothing - that has happened for 4 years or more. And the youtube kiss asses act like it means anything.

Am I missing anything? Or did they just rip off your work entirely and try to charlatan 20 more years out of it until the time came (about now)?

[John]

Thursday, January 5th, 2023.

no, I'm the charlatan who took their work and built generational dynamics and modern generational theory on top of it. their books were quite brilliant, and came out in the 80s and '90s. to my knowledge, nobody seriously recognized the 80-year cycle until they did. furthermore, absolutely nobody recognized the four generational eras until they did , although they're very contains some serious errors. Strauss was definitely the brains of the out fit, but he's passed away. today, the brains of the fourth turning theory are in the far left Democrat. David Kaiser.