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As mentioned earlier, I made 2 500 year event fractals in 2004. The first possibility was for the financial crisis to be on an earlier and separate timeline from the war. The second possibility was for the financial crisis to be on the same timeline as the war. It appears both have played out to some extent but that the real financial crisis will be on the same timeline as the war.

The first possibility allowed for a bubble peak anywhere between 2004 and 2008 with the middle of that range appearing most probable. The second possibility allows for the bubble peak anywhere between 2010 and 2014 with the middle of that range also appearing most probable.

Which gets me to the point of this post. For the most part, the events that I'm timing off of have no specific resolution dates and are often multiple events occurring in various countries. For example, I've discussed on several occasions the destruction of Moscow in 1571 by the Crimean Tatars and there were many similar events that same year and the year after. There is one exception, though. One of the overlays on the second timeline has the Holland Tulip Mania corresponding to the peak of the 1929 bubble, and the South Sea Bubble corresponding to the peak of this bubble.

Accounts give various dates as to exactly when these 2 bubbles peaked but to the best of my knowledge they peaked almost exactly 83.5 years apart within perhaps a couple days. 83.5 years from the peak of the 1929 stock market bubble is tomorrow.

It's always been my thought that the 1929 bubble peaked a month later than it should have ideally. I won't go into all the reasons but that was part of my thinking as to why this bubble would peak in early February and to some extent it has, as the stock market indices have made little or no progress since then on average. Another part of my thinking had been that a bubble in an oddball item like tulip futures or South Sea shares is less tethered to earth than the Bernanke Bubble, which basically runs through everything imaginable that is part of the US economy. But I've found time and again that it's more often better to let history do my thinking for me rather than to look for reasons why history is "different this time".

From August 1, 2012 post:

"At the top of every bubble at the end of every age it seems to me that humans come up with some silly idea as to how a society can be organized or what it can deliver, which is completely unrealistic at that time and place.

One of the best examples I can think of is the South Sea Bubble. There was a time when I understood in great detail what that idea was, and my best recollection now is that the idea was to extract goods from the 4 corners of the earth and make those goods available to the public. In 1720, while enough technology existed to imagine that fantasy, it was unrealistic. Yet, almost 300 years later that has been realized and we can walk into a Wal-Mart and buy goods from all over the world or order things on the Internet from companies all over the world and receive those goods in 2 days, which I think is some version and realization of what the South Sea Bubble fantasy was about. At least, that was my thought as I studied it in detail. As Mackay described, there were many concepts and many frauds put forth besides just the South Sea Company."

This is why I think the news I posted a couple weeks back from Wal-Mart is so very critical. I've noted from the news that Wal-Mart executives were very optimistic about February sales going into the month, then sales unexpectedly worsened. The timelines of history tell us that is the likely marker to expect if the bursting of the South Sea Bubble will indeed correlate in theme and in time to the bursting of the Bernanke Bubble.
“In case you haven’t seen a sales report these days, February MTD sales are a total disaster,” Jerry Murray, Wal- Mart’s vice president of finance and logistics, said in a Feb. 12 e-mail to other executives, referring to month-to-date sales. “The worst start to a month I have seen in my ~7 years with the company.”
The world’s largest retailer’s struggles come after executives expected a strong start to February because of the Super Bowl, milder weather and paycheck cycles, according to the minutes of a Feb. 1 officers meeting Bloomberg obtained.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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The left knows exactly what they are doing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7UhT3Q ... r_embedded# He is incorrect on that note. PC is know tool and control of rhetoric as we have thought mapped already. It is the last ten percent that gets us all trouble as Colson warned and no one is exempt since the sixty six books have already told us these so called mystery's. The Kantian sense of "Critical," as today also should be noted as unrelated to recent uses of the term in critical" literary theory, "critical legal theory," "critical race theory," or even in "multicultural" textbook treatments of so called critical thinking, in all of which the word is usually a dissimulating substitute for Marxist where all analysis is about "power" and class relationships, is contemptuous of "bourgeois" values and freedoms, including freedom of speech, and where the "voices" of other cultures are always coincidentally about oppression by capitalism, globalization, and/or American "imperialism" (i.e. self-defense against terrorists and fascists). Considering the millions murdered, tortured, enslaved, and impoverished by Marxists in the 20th Century, one would have to consider continued true believers among the most uncritical people, let alone the most naive or dishonest, in intellectual history a description that is sadly all too applicable to much academic culture in the United States, where Marxist doctrine and Leninist behavior are alive and well. You do not need peer review to discern the thought map but a dialog to pattern reconition they cherish as science used as a blugeon on the thought maps today just as before. As we conveyed before the Generational Dynamic of the current events will be unfolded to the circular logic as before since they were hopelessly outplayed. We have linked this effect before and will convey it once again. These ambitious men were not naive; they were overconfident about their ability to manipulate the Nazis and were hopelessly outplayed.
The Hegelian dialectic as forwarded in the forums is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box. Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship.
http://generationaldynamics.com/forum/v ... sts#p14844

Behold, all things have become new. 2 Corinthians 5:17
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http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/ ... ounts.html

No need to convey that they own you since you are stupid debt ridden children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnc7b1utU3Y
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Playing around with Fibonnaci numbers and dates, low of 3/9/09 plus the Fib number of 1597 (July 23, 2013), minus Fib 144, yields 3/1/13. Short 25.

H - I like your idea of out of the money puts.
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jc, here is some information on fibonacci numbers in this pattern from my log book:

There have been some 73 week cycles in the market. In calendar days, those can be approximately 504, 505, 516 or 517. I've done theoretical derivations for all of these. 504 and 505 are based on fibonacci.

If the 73 week cycle is doubled, it also appears in this market. July 19, 2007 to the flash crash is 1022 days and from the flash crash to February 19 is 1020 days (2042 days total).

2042 days is comprised exactly of 4 smaller fibonacci numbers: 1597, 377, 55, and 13 and it is resonating with another cycle that is comprised of the fibonacci numbers 3 back in the series from each of these: 377, 89, 13 and 3. This then ratios exactly to the fibonacci 0.236.

From the March 6, 2009 low to the July 1, 2010 low was exactly the sum of these 4 fibonacci numbers 3 back in the series, or 482 calendar days. This cycle then continues on to October 27, 2011 and February 19, 2013.

The 426 day cycle goes from the March 6, 2009 low to the flash crash to the July 7, 2011 high, which was the high before the August 2011 panic. 1022 multplied by 5/12 is 426. The Fed was apparently able to manipulate this one week beyond in September 2012 to 62 weeks with the QE3 excitement.

Since the March 6, 2009 low, the 482 day cycle is the more dominant cycle in this market (69 weeks on the diagram).

Getting back to 504, 505, 516 and 517, as one example, from the 2007 high to the 2009 low was 512 intraday and 517 on a closing basis.

We have another one from the flash crash to the October 4, 2011 low. That one was 516 days.

Now we have a third from October 4, 2011. To the February 19 high has been 504 days.

The 512 days down mentioned above multiplied by 4 is 2048 days. 2048 days from July 19, 2007 was February 25.
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http://bullmarketthinking.com/sac-capit ... ng-shares/

We have discussed rope burn which can be noted as sentiment traders i.e. disconnects in fundamentals.
This will and has in relationship to the wasting process we have all here in confluence of terms note
accurate for decades. I assume the scope of thought and noted front running in this contraction phase we ARE in
will be difficult to gauge by technicals. We will be selective and as they say when the spine snaps
no indicators are needed. It will be difficult and has been to assimilate structures and like many
I do not attribute coincidences since decay signals as we discussed are real as they wish to confirm
things are recovering. This drift is undeniable unless you consider statists a viable solution going forward.
I think we can surmise pockets as our wave count but sell into gains is our view until we see leveling
which as you indicate H we have indeed not! Krugman and his thought map as 4.6 trillions reasons why they could fix it
are over, and have been since consumers are at the end of there useful and cheerful handlers ability
to manipulate. Now comes the actual hard work and as we know they do not have the skill sets to produce
value since they do not want to. I am not referring to elderly and the very young. I am talking about the agenda to
destroy since being means tested is a crime with the left since all they can do is destroy. America has an attitude problem
which is just that plain and simple and the leveling process which is no accident and we clearly conveyed.
As many know we will not be putting money in to the economy until I can keep more of what I earn.
It is just that simple and we know the curve also which suggests and trends this effect.
http://chartistfriendfrompittsburgh.blogspot.com/
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The cycles can be manipulated only in the sense that 504, 505, 512, 516 or 517 are different and imperfect representations of the same thing. The potential to manipulate the system within a small percentage range of possible outcomes within a long time scale creates the illusion of power and superiority, and is all that is left between here and collapse. If the cycle is truly long term since gunpowder or Columbus set sail, then the potential to manipulate it is also at its zenith by definition and illusions reach their maximum. Centuries of accumulation of economic, political and social wealth can be and is being spent to buy a little more time on a percentage basis (of approximately 500 years). The belief that the cycles can be manipulated forever must reach its maximum before the collapse by definition. That maximum was generally reached in 2007, and perhaps now in a more narrow sense. The difference is that now there is a near universal sense of resignation that the Fed has the power to do whatever it wants to manipulate the markets, while at the same time the minutes of the recent meeting state explicitly that the members of the committee don't believe that, yet that gets ignored as expected. "Don't fight the Fed" has perhaps reached near universal belief, as also occurred to some extent when gold reached $250 and it was near universally said the Central Bankers want gold down because they hate it and therefore it will stay down. Once Obama has spent the accumulation, then he is just another deposed tin pot dictator and power will devolve to the local level with associated anarchy and chaos. He is grasping and spending like a mad octopus. This will be worse than the fall of the western empire in my analysis.

A dark age only becomes inevitable when a society recklessly spends its accumulated capital to buy a little more time within the small percentage range of possible outcomes to beyond the point of reconstitution. That's why I never said that my estimate was that a dark age was coming until 2011, but only said before then that it could come. When this collapse comes there won't be the economic, political or social capital to reconstitute the system until it is accumulated back, which will take decades or centuries to accumulate, whereas it was all spent in a matter of years. This was previously termed the "inability to reconstitute" and it runs through the entire system. Paradoxically, as the capital is being spent beyond the ability to reaccumulate it, the illusion that this process can continue forever reaches its greatest extent. The reality I see is hard limits are manifesting now like rain clouds manifest to stop a drought before the actual fact of rain. People are pointing at the rain clouds and saying the Fed can stop the rain and the drought will continue when it can't. This is not equivalent to a statistical analysis that is saying after so many days of drought there typically comes rain.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetaryp ... 130130.htm
http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price ... spx?time=1
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advcha ... &x=34&y=10
http://goldprice.org/gold-silver-ratio.html
etc., etc.
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The link below covers more of the hard indications that are manifesting in the markets now that I did not fill in at the bottom of the last post. The 7 indications outside the stock market that I primarily use at present are currencies, gold silver ratio, copper, oil, retail gasoline, bonds, and VIX. Different indications are more or less important at different times, but these are the 7 that I think have applied best over the past 2-3 years. He shows currencies, copper, and bonds, which I did not link to above, so the only thing not shown out of these 7 is oil. The charts I use are from my brokerage and can't be copied to the forum. The Dow non confirmation he lists is also important in my view - a Dow non confirmation also marked the May 1, 2012 high. This is not the same as Dow Theory, it just means the Dow made a new high Friday when no other US based index did. The other market indicators like TRIN I am aware of but don't follow enough to be able to say what they mean or how to interpret. These indicators all fit together like a very complex puzzle and are subject to interpretation. At this point, the sum total of all of it by my interpretation is more negative than it has been at the other highs in the past 3 years.

http://www.traders-talk.com/mb2/index.p ... pic=145072

That's in addition to the cycle counts and the fibonacci counts that have ended in conjunction with these indications turning negative.

I put a lot of weight on the Wal-Mart news having leaked when it did - one trading day ahead of February 19.

By the logarithmic calculation I showed awhile back from 1937 and 1966 the Dow has potential to about 14,270 or so.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.
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Fascinating H, It will be interesting count when these convergances overlap. I mean to convey this as
the points of convergances on such a narrow window. I think the gold bottom for me was pivot point
and the noise of interests incoming for the next leg which I can safely can convey we all have noted
as wtf was that. It appears they got lucky that more did not converge and as you note correctly how
long can they now sustain the illusion of control. They had to get gold up to avoid the actual rain
Higg you correctly note. I garner that you understood the commodity issue that the Ruble is culminating.
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