Geopolitical topics

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Re: Dr. Igor Panarin

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malleni wrote: > So with other words - it would be very interesting to see some
> more "predictions" about USA future, like:

> - USA will have 10 years strong deflationary depression (hopefully
> for all creditor lands since they have enormous $$$ reserves at
> home!... Unfortunately - this does not look to be a case...
> understandably...)

> - It (deflationary depression) will be even very good for USA -
> until we talking about USA s enormous (pyramidal) DEBT!
> (Deflationary depression means with other words - USA MUST PAY
> back this enormous DEBT with STRONG dollar, and with virtually
> DESTROYED (already) week production!!! - Mission
> impossible...!?!)

> - In 20 years USA will be again "the most important country" on
> the World regarding economy... (if not the "strongest" ...
> military ... of course...)
I don't know where you've been, or whether you've read anything on
this web site except your own postings, so let me make clear things
that I've said many times: Happy?

P.S.: By the way, that prediction by Dr. Igor Panarin is nonsense.

Sincerely,

John

malleni
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Re: Dr. Igor Panarin

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John wrote:
malleni wrote: > So with other words - it would be very interesting to see some
> more "predictions" about USA future, like:

> - USA will have 10 years strong deflationary depression (hopefully
> for all creditor lands since they have enormous $$$ reserves at
> home!... Unfortunately - this does not look to be a case...
> understandably...)

> - It (deflationary depression) will be even very good for USA -
> until we talking about USA s enormous (pyramidal) DEBT!
> (Deflationary depression means with other words - USA MUST PAY
> back this enormous DEBT with STRONG dollar, and with virtually
> DESTROYED (already) week production!!! - Mission
> impossible...!?!)

> - In 20 years USA will be again "the most important country" on
> the World regarding economy... (if not the "strongest" ...
> military ... of course...)
I don't know where you've been, or whether you've read anything on
this web site except your own postings, so let me make clear things
that I've said many times: Happy?

P.S.: By the way, that prediction by Dr. Igor Panarin is nonsense.

Sincerely,

John
Thank you.

You have right.
I was not on this forum for a while, but as I see - changes are very few.

I know that you expecting deflationary depression in USA.
You are not the only one.
If you are right or not - we will see.
On the other side, in normal situation - the deflation should not at all be a "catastrophic".
It is just a correction on the inflated market.
Unfortunately - the deviated "free market" - with dollar hegemony - can not easy be corrected.

That is the reason of concern.

Regarding "wars"...
I know that you like to "predict wars"...
(You already did it couple times for Europe as I remember)
So - it is not specially new for me.

So, you are absolutely sure that your "war prediction" will be correct, but professor Panarin talking nonsense (even if he talked consequently about economic collapse and dissolution of USA for 10 years now)...
Hmmm...
OK.
I agreed, but only if all "predictions" are nonsense.


On the other side, it would be nice to see what other people have to say about "predictions" too.



Happy.

Sincerely,

Malleni

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Re: Dr. Igor Panarin

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John wrote:
...
P.S.: By the way, that prediction by Dr. Igor Panarin is nonsense.
...
"Gun dealers experiencing shortages of bullets..."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 1778.story

It looks like Hr. Paranin is not very far from sad truth, despite that you believe it.
Much less - he just talking "nonsense".

The first step to the civil war IS a time (or IS a DAY) when your neighbor massively procures weapon - with idea to "protect him" or to "survive".

You need not to believe me, but I already saw all this happened in former Yugoslavia.

People can fight for everything.
Not just for religion, skin color, or ideologies....

Just take what you want:
- money,... "survival",...prestige,..."freedom"..., slavery,...football,...hear-cuts,... fun...

All those are already happened and happens in other parts of World (always under US "control") - but NOT jet in the US...
At least - not for quite long time.

I am sure that Ideas from Dr.Panarin - are NOT directly to declare as nonsense...

Finally - we have enough time to see if he - or you were right.

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Re: Geopolitical topics

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An increase in gun violence doesn't necessarily portend a civil war.
A civil war requires a fault line defined by demographics -- skin
color, ethnic origin, language, geography, etc.

Gun violence increased during the Great Depression, but it wasn't
along any demographic fault line. It's just that when people are
poor they become desperate and violent. It's part of the human DNA.

By contrast, the 1860s civil war was fought along a geographic fault
line (North vs South).

This is the same issue that I've raised with respect to the drug
cartels in Mexico.

Sincerely,

John

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Re: Geopolitical topics

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I agree until one point - namely your constant calling on "Great depression" event i.e. "absolutely true" you predicting from this event.

We already discussed about it - since it is impossible to avoid the similarities with Great Depression.
AND of course - did not agreed.

Despite ALL similarities - there are huge differences. And if those differences are not considerate in your conclusion -they can NOT be correct.
Even if Mr. Garet Garrett - "A Bubble that Broke the World" (thank you, by the way, for book) - explain extremely good those events and all connections regarding politics, economy and strategical at that time - you refuse to see some simple things:
1. Economically - in this time both Germany and US were on the GOLD standard - which implied simpler and faster way in the deflationary spiral.
2. Politically - Germany was not only the greatest debtor at this time, but it additionally was forced to pay war reparations to the Allied countries. In mean time the CPD (Communist party of Deutschland) was very strong (actually the strongest Communist party in Europe!)... Russia was already - communist country!
3. Strategically - The "great danger" of "RED Germany" - was REAL threat! (Mr. Garrett talked repeatedly about it in his book!). Actually HE mentioned it (repeatedly!) as main reason that US forced France and England to remit war reparations and Germany's debt together with US!


All those events is impossible to blindly project on today situation!
And you exactly trying just that.
I find that you find some kind of "explanation" of your thesis that "The World will somehow pardon US debt". It is the (joking!) state of Russian finance minister in Davos something like: "If you can not handle FED - give it to us!"
I already said that this was a joke - and I think that even REAL discussion about this event - is doomed. Probability that this happened in the future is equal with - 0 (zero)!


Additionally,
I think that there is a one big misunderstanding in your statements about - deflation spiral.
It sounds in all your descriptions that it is "one evil" (exactly way as bankers describe it!)
Deflation is just an economic event i.e. correction of the mark.
It IS necessary and good for economy and even after short strain for citizens.
Bankers HATE deflation because they can NOT control it and earn on it.
Bankers like - inflation because they can rob the citizens easily.
BUT both deflation and inflation are just - economical "phenomena" and coming and go cyclically without government interventions.

Hyperinflation has on the other side very little to do with - economy. (even if in name you have the word "inflation")
It is pure - political event.
This is actually a governmental rob of the citizens - AND currency destruction.
Nothing other.

In the last couple articles on your blog you giving your view :
John wrote: "
...
Among world currencies, the US dollar is unique for two reasons:

1 * The dollar is the world's reserve currency, and many, many trillions of dollars are held by people, businesses and governments around the world. This effectively means that it's politically impossible to inflate the currency to reduce the debt.

2* There are hundreds of trillions of dollars in credit derivatives contracts and other structured finance securities (including mortgage-backed securities) in portfolios around the world. The values of the assets continue to be written down, reducing the amount of money (dollars) in the world.
..."
These should be probably the "main reasons" for "impossibility" of currency destruction i.e. hyperinflation.
1 - the dollar is inflated (as all paper currencies) from the first day of its introduction. The "export" of dollar to the other countries of the World in the last 30-40 years cause unprecedented inflationary wave around whole planet... Even if we thought that 2 TRILLIONS $ is much money and that nation need years to save it (Chinese about 30 and Japanese about 50 years) - it is obvious that a bankrupt state of USA - CAN PRODUCE IT in just couple of months!!! (Actually even bigger amount!)
So much about "political impossibility".
2 - It is possible, but lets see who has the biggest amount of those bed derivatives?
I hope that you have more correct values, but it is perhaps reasonable to suggest that at least 50% of all these are in the USA. Namely all those "products" were actually originally named "made in USA" and since USA was the biggest financial market - a conclusion that at least 50% of this garbage is hold by US billionaires and banks - could not be wrong.
It implied that the biggest impact of all those derivates will be on the USA.
On the other side, you suggest that whole planet will keep US$ as "universal reserve currency" despite a "huge production" in the last couple months (more than 2 TRILLIONS if it!)
Perhaps you have right - but I would suggest another possibility:
- the other nations will accept their losses (for sure very big) AND try to cut off themselves from Titanic.

Simple logic - they understand that losses are anyway huge - AND that US IS a Titanic and that only way is to try to escape from it.


On Mish side I found a very good explanation of possible scenarios:

"...
What Now?
Only three possible outcomes:

1. We inflate to the level of the debt, i.e. we "fulfill" debt obligations, but in mini-dollars
2. We take the hit, cleanse the system of excesses and move on. Result: deflation, bankruptcies, high unemployment, etc...
3. We disinflate veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery slowly, like Japan. Won't happen: the American psyche won't take 16-odd years of no growth. Different cultural mindset: you can't prick a balloon slowly here.

My guess: combination of 1 and 2. I would hope for a bias towards 2. Terrible for many, but healthier for the system long-term. Schumpeter's concept of creative destruction trumps Keynes, in my book. That's life, and progress, with all its faults and flaws.
"


I agreed.

I personally think that one more possibility appears... unfortunately:
4. US need to start - a "Great War"
(You can call it Third if you like)

I really hope - that the guys around the Obama will not persuade him to do this nonsense...


On the end:
I think -considering other facts, that just those from Great Depression days - that none of these possibilities can be dismissed as impossible:
1. Civil war in US could be highly possible
2. Great World War caused by US could be highly possible.

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Beck: States should secede from America to protest bailouts

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Obviously there are other people who talking of "secession" and "dissolution" of the United States of America, not just Russian professor:

http://74.125.77.100/translate_c?hl=de& ... wqlHYnoFag

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Re: Geopolitical topics

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John wrote: A civil war requires a fault line defined by demographics -- skin
color, ethnic origin, language, geography, etc.
Are you saying that divisions do not exist in the US?
Also, I think we need to distinguish between an organized war between civil federations, and an ethnic bloodbath.

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Re: Geopolitical topics

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JLak wrote:
John wrote: A civil war requires a fault line defined by demographics -- skin
color, ethnic origin, language, geography, etc.
Are you saying that divisions do not exist in the US?
Also, I think we need to distinguish between an organized war between civil federations, and an ethnic bloodbath.

Please see the following posting:

http://generationaldynamics.com/forum/v ... 2717#p2717

John

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Re: Geopolitical topics

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John wrote:
JLak wrote:
John wrote: A civil war requires a fault line defined by demographics -- skin
color, ethnic origin, language, geography, etc.
Are you saying that divisions do not exist in the US?
Also, I think we need to distinguish between an organized war between civil federations, and an ethnic bloodbath.

Please see the following posting:

http://generationaldynamics.com/forum/v ... 2717#p2717

John
Maybe someone can correct me, but wasn't the Spanish Civil War fought over a political ideology?

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War

Joe

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