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** 21-Nov-2021 World View: Making Choices
DaKardii wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:00 pm
> In an age where almost nobody at the state level can be
> believed, how do we know that there aren't American
> whistleblowers who have either yet to come out or have already
> been silenced? How do we know that the Chinese whistleblowers are
> genuine whistleblowers? And although it's definitely a given that
> China intentionally allowed the virus to spread, how do we know
> the virus would've remained in China if it weren't for that fact?
> How do we know whoever released the virus didn't deploy different
> versions of it in multiple countries at different times in order
> to create the illusion of a rapid spread?

> I don't know, maybe that's my libertarian side speaking. Question
> all authority whenever possible, especially when the authority
> governs you personally. But those are important questions that
> should be asked and answered. The American people are entitled to
> know why it has come to this.
Why do you say anything at all? If all you're going to do is
enumerate the possibilities, and then say that they're all the same to
you, then why bother? If you're just going to say the Chinese did it
or the Americans did it, and you consider those two options
equivalent, then who cares? If your opinion is going to be worth
anything, then you have to make a choice, and then defend your choice.

The Chinese have also said that the virus arrived in the Wuhan wet
market in frozen food from Europe. Do you consider that explanation
just as likely as the other ones? If not, why not? Assuming you
reject it, why would you be willing to single out that explanation for
rejection, and not another one?

Sometimes you have to do a probabilistic analysis. A person is
considered guilty of a crime only if a jury of 12 people finds him
guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt." This is a probabilistic
conclusion. It's not absolute certainty that he's guilty, just that
he's believed to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

I sometimes say that X is certain to happen with absolute certainty or
100% certainty. If you insist, I'll say that it isn't really 100%
certain, since the sun might explode, and then X won't occur.

So what's the probability that the virus was developed at Fort Detrick
and planted in Wuhan by the US army, as the Chinese claim? Hundreds
of people would know that the virus had been developed at Fort
Detrick, and hundreds more would have to have been involved in the
logistics to plant it in Wuhan. Any one of those people could become
a whistleblower. Some would consider the acts morally indefensible,
and they would come forth for that reason. Others would just do it
for fame and money, since a book on the subject would be a best
seller. And people like that don't get silenced in America, as they
do in China.

That analysis doesn't require me to "believe" Biden or Fauci or Trump
or anyone else at the state level. It's similar to having a jury of
hundreds of people. So I consider the Fort Detrick claim to be false,
well beyond a reasonable doubt, with a probability of something like
0.0001%.

Being a "libertarian" does not absolve you from making choices.

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John wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:00 pm
** 21-Nov-2021 World View: Making Choices
The Chinese have also said that the virus arrived in the Wuhan wet
market in frozen food from Europe.
Do you consider that explanation
just as likely as the other ones? If not, why not? Assuming you
reject it, why would you be willing to single out that explanation for
rejection, and not another one?
Whoa. I was not aware of that.

That definitely wounds the "American bioweapon" theory. Maybe not fatally, but definitely badly.

Thank you, John.

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Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:14 am
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DaKardii wrote:
Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:00 pm
John wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:08 pm
I'm not saying that the US government doesn't do bad things, but I
insist that there's a big difference in a country with a free press
and viable opposition.

If the virus had been developed at Fort Detrick and spread by the US
army, then within the last two years there would have been
whistleblowers, media coverage blaming Trump, and Congressional
hearings. None of that has happened. There have been Chinese
whistleblowers, and they have been silenced or jailed in China, and
only the ones who escaped to the West have been able to speak. That's
the difference.

Furthermore, it makes no difference how the virus was developed,
because after September 12, 2019, China was aware of it and adopted a
criminal policy to spread it around the world. That is absolutely
certain.
In an age where almost nobody at the state level can be believed, how do we know that there aren't American whistleblowers who have either yet to come out or have already been silenced? How do we know that the Chinese whistleblowers are genuine whistleblowers? And although it's definitely a given that China intentionally allowed the virus to spread, how do we know the virus would've remained in China if it weren't for that fact? How do we know whoever released the virus didn't deploy different versions of it in multiple countries at different times in order to create the illusion of a rapid spread?

I don't know, maybe that's my libertarian side speaking. Question all authority whenever possible, especially when the authority governs you personally. But those are important questions that should be asked and answered. The American people are entitled to know why it has come to this.
It sure seems that your questioning is usually of America and not other countries. That says something about you that isn't so good. Especially when the other side is China.

Xeraphim1

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DaKardii wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 1:35 pm
Oh, shit...

https://www.the-sun.com/news/4116304/hy ... id-flight/
More information and better story:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... -knows-why

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xeraphim1x wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:04 pm
It sure seems that your questioning is usually of America and not other countries. That says something about you that isn't so good. Especially when the other side is China.
I'll admit that I do question the US government more than I do the governments of other countries. Because it's the US government the government who has authority over me. And if I'm a guy who has a tendency to question governmental authority, then I would have a natural disposition to question my own country's government first and foremost.

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DaKardii wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:28 pm
xeraphim1x wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:04 pm
It sure seems that your questioning is usually of America and not other countries. That says something about you that isn't so good. Especially when the other side is China.
I'll admit that I do question the US government more than I do the governments of other countries. Because it's the US government the government who has authority over me. And if I'm a guy who has a tendency to question governmental authority, then I would have a natural disposition to question my own country's government first and foremost.
An excellent and correct response. There was a time when I trusted our government too. However, once you realize you've been lied to over and over again, you also realize you can no longer trust anything they put out. There is nothing wrong with questioning your government. As a matter-of-fact, it is a sign of a healthy mind that pursue truth over all else.
Psalm 34:4 - “I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.”

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thomasglee wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:32 pm
DaKardii wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:28 pm
xeraphim1x wrote:
Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:04 pm
It sure seems that your questioning is usually of America and not other countries. That says something about you that isn't so good. Especially when the other side is China.
I'll admit that I do question the US government more than I do the governments of other countries. Because it's the US government the government who has authority over me. And if I'm a guy who has a tendency to question governmental authority, then I would have a natural disposition to question my own country's government first and foremost.
An excellent and correct response. There was a time when I trusted our government too. However, once you realize you've been lied to over and over again, you also realize you can no longer trust anything they put out. There is nothing wrong with questioning your government. As a matter-of-fact, it is a sign of a healthy mind that pursue truth over all else.
Thus America will break up and breakdown. And people like Tommy McGee will find out the hard way that no man is an island. Have fun in your bunker.

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