Nuclear War

[Tom Mazanec]

Why sacrifice a few million Chinese when you can start the epidemic right away in America, giving the US less time to prepare and saving those few millions while avoiding all the bad PR China has to put up with now.

[thomasglee]

Perhaps they were in pursuit of plausible deniability. Plus we don't truly know to what extent COVID played a role in Wuhan. We only know what the CCP media reported.

Why sacrifice a few million Chinese when you can start the epidemic right away in America, giving the US less time to prepare and saving those few millions while avoiding all the bad PR China has to put up with now.

[John]

** 02-Aug-2021 World View: Rushing to market

> Absolutely. I don't think it was a beta test though. I truly
> think they believed it would do more damage than it did. I liken
> it to many of their products - inferior and rushed to market.
> But, like they do with many of their products, they'll keep
> messing with it until it accomplishes what they want.

OK, but they can't keep trying different versions until they get one
right. The first attempt was a disaster for them, in my opinion. Xi
Jinping declared a historic victory over covid in speeches last year,
and now the delta variant has already proven him wrong (and energized
his domestic enemy political factions), and could be even more
disastrous if it keeps spreading.

After their first failed attempt, the whole world is highly suspicious
of everything China does and is hostile to them. They're only going
to get one more shot, and anything remotely like that "Wuhan world
infection strategy" will be immediately recognized and reported around
the world. That means they have to think up a new way to spread the
virus. If we see ten thousand drones all take off at once from China,
we'll know what they're doing.

This is throwing the CCP off Chi Haotian's script.

Trump also threw the CCP off its script when he refused to sign the
US-China trade deal in May 2019, when he realized it was a trick to
force him politically to sign a bad deal.

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[thomasglee]

You're failing to recognize your own logic. Nothing the Chinese do will be logical. Expect their moves to be illogical and delusional, as you have said yourself. We cannot expect them to be irrational on the one hand and logical on the other. They're hellbent on overtaking the west at any cost, and I believe they genuinely believe (the leadership, not the people) that they will not be affected by their machinations. And as far as their own people go... look back to the Korean war and how they sent wave after wave of young men and even boys rushing into the front lines against the Americans. They don't care about their people; they only care about power.

My view of the world over the next decade is very bleak. I fully expect millions (perhaps billions) will die. Not so much from the viruses as from the "cure" for their prevention. I DO not trust the vaccines, and what better way to kill people than through a vaccine meant to save. The only people that will suffer from it are those that get it voluntarily. Take your thought about what they may have tried with the virus and imagine them doing that with a vaccine. Perhaps the virus was the impetus they used to push the vaccines, the real killers.

** 02-Aug-2021 World View: Rushing to market

> Absolutely. I don't think it was a beta test though. I truly
> think they believed it would do more damage than it did. I liken
> it to many of their products - inferior and rushed to market.
> But, like they do with many of their products, they'll keep
> messing with it until it accomplishes what they want.

OK, but they can't keep trying different versions until they get one
right. The first attempt was a disaster for them, in my opinion. Xi
Jinping declared a historic victory over covid in speeches last year,
and now the delta variant has already proven him wrong (and energized
his domestic enemy political factions), and could be even more
disastrous if it keeps spreading.

After their first failed attempt, the whole world is highly suspicious
of everything China does and is hostile to them. They're only going
to get one more shot, and anything remotely like that "Wuhan world
infection strategy" will be immediately recognized and reported around
the world. That means they have to think up a new way to spread the
virus. If we see ten thousand drones all take off at once from China,
we'll know what they're doing.

This is throwing the CCP off Chi Haotian's script.

Trump also threw the CCP off its script when he refused to sign the
US-China trade deal in May 2019, when he realized it was a trick to
force him politically to sign a bad deal.

*** 09-May-2019 China's sinister strategy in US-Trade talks
*** viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5168&p=45571#p45571

[John]

** 02-Aug-2021 World View: Moves of desperation

> You're failing to recognize your own logic. Nothing the Chinese
> do will be logical. Expect their moves to be illogical and
> delusional, as you have said yourself. We cannot expect them to be
> irrational on the one hand and logical on the other. They're
> hellbent on overtaking the west at any cost, and I believe they
> genuinely believe (the leadership, not the people) that they will
> not be affected by their machinations. And as far as their own
> people go... look back to the Korean war and how they sent wave
> after wave of young men and even boys rushing into the front lines
> against the Americans. They don't care about their people; they
> only care about power.

> My view of the world over the next decade is very bleak. I fully
> expect millions (perhaps billions) will die. Not so much from the
> viruses as from the "cure" for their prevention. I DO not trust
> the vaccines, and what better way to kill people than through a
> vaccine meant to save. The only people that will suffer from it
> are those that get it voluntarily. Take your thought about what
> they may have tried with the virus and imagine them doing that
> with a vaccine. Perhaps the virus was the impetus they used to
> push the vaccines, the real killers.

I agree with you, but not for the reasons you give.

The CCP had a logical, step-by-step plan for taking over the world.
The plan was logical, but expecting the result they wanted was
delusional.

There's a saying about the battle plan being the first casualty of the
battle. The CCP plan has worked pretty well for most of the last 20
years. But my point is that Trump's refusal to sign the US-China
trade deal threw them off their script, and then Trump's shutting down
travel to the US in January 2020 threw them off their script again.
And now the delta variant is throwing them off their script again.

So their script is now really in shambles, and they're striking
desperately out in all directions, with multiple border disputes,
plans for quick victory of Taiwan and continuous nuclear bombing of
Japan.

This is where I agree with you. Their step-by-step script is in
shambles but, as you say, "they're hellbent on overtaking the west at
any cost," so now they're desperate, and they'll try anything.

Chi Haotian says that Japan made a disastrous mistake by bombing Pearl
Harbor. Well, it's reasonable to believe that the Japanese plans were
failing, and they had to do something desperate, and bombing Pearl
Harbor was their only choice.

So if China's step-by-step script is in shambles then, as you suggest,
China will have to take desperate steps that are just as stupid as
bombing Pearl Harbor. I think that the most likely step is to launch
a war on the US, Japan and Taiwan.

You suggest that their next step might be something to do with
vaccines. I don't understand how that would work. I guess they might
try using their own Sinovac or Sinopharm vaccine to infect people
across Asia, but it would take less than a week for that to be
discovered. So I don't think that would work any better than the
"Wuhan world infection strategy" worked.

That's why I believe that launching a full-scale attack is the only
desperate move they have. As you say, life in the world will be very
bleak. I don't think the war will take a decade, though. Full-scale
world wars tend to last only about five years. So don't say that I
never predict any good news.

[tankbuilder]

One point that I think many may have missed, or don't understand the significance of, is that the Chinese think their DNA is significantly different than the rest of humanity, regardless of the fact that they are not. There are no bioweapons that can just target non-Chinese, and that reality may be hitting them squarely in the face as we speak. Maybe they thought COVID would not have an impact on China, maybe the researchers were too afraid to tell the party that what they asked for they could not provide. For whatever reason, they went ahead in typical fashion and screwed it up. IMHO, the CCP, faced with the reality that a bioweapon isn't going to work, will turn to nuclear methods to sanitize North America for Chinese colonization.

[tim]

My view of the world over the next decade is very bleak. I fully expect millions (perhaps billions) will die. Not so much from the viruses as from the "cure" for their prevention. I DO not trust the vaccines, and what better way to kill people than through a vaccine meant to save. The only people that will suffer from it are those that get it voluntarily. Take your thought about what they may have tried with the virus and imagine them doing that with a vaccine. Perhaps the virus was the impetus they used to push the vaccines, the real killers.

Absolutely.

We know that almost all of our pharmaceutical components come from China. Many medications could not be made if trade with China was disrupted.

What exactly is in the mRNA shots? How much of the material used to make these shots came from China? Who is to say the Chinese aren't using the mRNA shots as a weapon?

I believe the COVID shots being used on people in China are not mRNA.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fauci was bought and paid for by China along with the rest of the higher ups in the Democratic party.

[tim]

** 02-Aug-2021 World View: Moves of desperation

You suggest that their next step might be something to do with
vaccines. I don't understand how that would work. I guess they might
try using their own Sinovac or Sinopharm vaccine to infect people
across Asia, but it would take less than a week for that to be
discovered. So I don't think that would work any better than the
"Wuhan world infection strategy" worked

If the mRNA shots were designed to kill off the people who received them over a long period of time and in such a way that it was hard to blame the vaccine - if enough time passed your average person wouldn't come to that conclusion.

Just like how people believe mesothelioma is caused by asbestos and not the SV40 monkey kidney virus present in the polio vaccines.

[John]

** 02-Aug-2021 World View: Bioweapons

> We know that almost all of our pharmaceutical components come from
> China. Many medications could not be made if trade with China was
> disrupted.

OK, but this has nothing to do with vaccines. If China is going
to send a bioweapon to America through pharmaceuticals, it could use
any of the medications that come from China.

However, there's something even simpler than that. Just incorporate
the bioweapon into fentynal. That even has the advantage that it
bypasses the standard trade channels, and will continue even in a
state of war. Half the country will be dead in no time, and the other
half will be infected with the bioweapon.

[tim]

** 02-Aug-2021 World View: Bioweapons

> We know that almost all of our pharmaceutical components come from
> China. Many medications could not be made if trade with China was
> disrupted.

OK, but this has nothing to do with vaccines. If China is going
to send a bioweapon to America through pharmaceuticals, it could use
any of the medications that come from China.

However, there's something even simpler than that. Just incorporate
the bioweapon into fentynal. That even has the advantage that it
bypasses the standard trade channels, and will continue even in a
state of war. Half the country will be dead in no time, and the other
half will be infected with the bioweapon.

Half the country ran out and received an experimental shot with no long term safety data...

If the mRNA materials come from China is it possible they could harm the recipients?

Why are mRNA shots not used in China?