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Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:12 pm
by Cool Breeze
FullMoon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:02 pm
Guest from Tx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:35 pm
Cool Breeze wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:47 am
Let me ask you this then - will they raid people's bank accounts/401k/retirement accounts, etc? Curious to know.
I fully expect a Bolshevik style takeover and economic collapse. America will become part of Central America and we will become as poor as Mexicans or Venezuelans. Violet crime will go unchecked, like it is in the rest of Central America. Even if you abandon the cities, the parasites will come looking for you.
Perhaps, but that's the very worst case scenario.
They'll take what they can, we presently call it taxation but it could be expanded a bit.
We'll be in a war time economy before soon odds favor.
History shows that all assets can become nationalized for periods of time. Then you have to go fight. Medical skills keep you behind the lines. MASH maybe?
The US will fragment and the wheat will be separated from the chaff, for a time. Righteousness will return to victory.
Let's hope you're right, Full.
Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:03 pm
by Guest
FullMoon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:02 pm
Guest from Tx wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 7:35 pm
Cool Breeze wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:47 am
Let me ask you this then - will they raid people's bank accounts/401k/retirement accounts, etc? Curious to know.
I fully expect a Bolshevik style takeover and economic collapse. America will become part of Central America and we will become as poor as Mexicans or Venezuelans. Violet crime will go unchecked, like it is in the rest of Central America. Even if you abandon the cities, the parasites will come looking for you.
Perhaps, but that's the very worst case scenario.
They'll take what they can, we presently call it taxation but it could be expanded a bit.
We'll be in a war time economy before soon odds favor.
History shows that all assets can become nationalized for periods of time. Then you have to go fight. Medical skills keep you behind the lines. MASH maybe?
The US will fragment and the wheat will be separated from the chaff, for a time. Righteousness will return to victory.
Amen.
Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:06 pm
by Tom Mazanec
Perhaps, but that's the very worst case scenario.
No, FullMoon, the very worst case is that WWIII escalates into a full global atomic, biological and chemical exchange and sends the world into a Neomedieval Dark Age which, with natural resources depleted and easily available fossil and fissile fuels exhausted, becomes permanent.
Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:38 pm
by John
** 22-Jun-2022 World View: The Worst Case Scenario
Tom Mazanec wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:06 pm
> No, FullMoon, the very worst case is that WWIII escalates into a
> full global atomic, biological and chemical exchange and sends the
> world into a Neomedieval Dark Age which, with natural resources
> depleted and easily available fossil and fissile fuels exhausted,
> becomes permanent.
Don't forget the Singularity. I like to say that the cockroaches and
the AI computers will be the ones to survive when all the humans are
dead.
Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:58 pm
by Tom Mazanec
Right, John.
One of the first fictional treatments of the Singularity (before the term had even been coined) was "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream".
Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:20 pm
by Guest
John wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:38 pm
** 22-Jun-2022 World View: The Worst Case Scenario
Tom Mazanec wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:06 pm
> No, FullMoon, the very worst case is that WWIII escalates into a
> full global atomic, biological and chemical exchange and sends the
> world into a Neomedieval Dark Age which, with natural resources
> depleted and easily available fossil and fissile fuels exhausted,
> becomes permanent.
Don't forget the Singularity. I like to say that the cockroaches and
the AI computers will be the ones to survive when all the humans are
dead.
You once said that even if there were a nuclear war, mankind would rebuild within twenty years. Have you changed your mind, John?
Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:24 pm
by John
** 22-Jun-2022 World View: Nuclear war
Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:20 pm
> You once said that even if there were a nuclear war, mankind would
> rebuild within twenty years. Have you changed your mind,
> John?
If all the humans are dead after the war, then it will just be
cockroaches and AI computers. Otherwise, the surviving humans will
rebuild in twenty years.
Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:26 pm
by Cool Breeze
John wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:38 pm
** 22-Jun-2022 World View: The Worst Case Scenario
Tom Mazanec wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:06 pm
> No, FullMoon, the very worst case is that WWIII escalates into a
> full global atomic, biological and chemical exchange and sends the
> world into a Neomedieval Dark Age which, with natural resources
> depleted and easily available fossil and fissile fuels exhausted,
> becomes permanent.
Don't forget the Singularity. I like to say that the cockroaches and
the AI computers will be the ones to survive when all the humans are
dead.
What's your definition of the "singularity"?
Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:29 pm
by John
** 22-Jun-2022 World View: The Singularity
Cool Breeze wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:26 pm
> What's your definition of the "singularity"?
** Artificial Intelligence and the Singularity by 2030
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... 151228.htm
Re: Societal collapse
Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:07 am
by Guest
John wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:24 pm
** 22-Jun-2022 World View: Nuclear war
Guest wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:20 pm
> You once said that even if there were a nuclear war, mankind would
> rebuild within twenty years. Have you changed your mind,
> John?
If all the humans are dead after the war, then it will just be
cockroaches and AI computers. Otherwise, the surviving humans will
rebuild in twenty years.
That's uplifting.