Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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Re: Politicizing Death

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:49 pm
tim wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:11 pm
I had COVID and survived just fine. Flu like symptoms and lost taste for a short time. I am fully recovered with no long term damage.
More American deaths than World War II. On Trump's head.

Why are you righties so selfish? You care only for own experience, not for America as a whole? No, not everybody who was infected got the deadly effects. I suppose those that did are not testifying. But some see it as an issue of life and death and respond accordingly.
The most important decision someone can make to be healthy is to not be obese.

America has an obesity problem.

Yet, you leftists, in your war with truth and the natural world, have pushed the fat acceptance movement.

This is not healthy nor beautiful yet you people are trying to reprogram what is considered normal and healthy.

How many COVID deaths were obese people?

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The Shift in the Cycles

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John wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:12 pm
Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:49 pm
Why are you righties so selfish?
Hmmmm. What's the opposite of "leftist"? Is it "rightie"? Is it "rightist"? Or maybe it's one of Biden's favorite epithets, "White Supremacist" or "Domestic Terrorist."
Not all conservatives are White Supremacists or Domestic Terrorists. It is hardly a coincidence that those who were part of the January 6th insurrection were both. There is much honorable in conservative thought, but the traditional Republican affiliation with the elites and the newer Southern Strategy are questionable. These could be purged without remorse.

Still, the desire to shrink government and be independent are respectable, even if the pendulum has swung a little far in the too long unraveling. The idea that working together for the common good as usual triumphs in a crisis.

The unravelling is a time of selfishness. Ask not what you can do for your country, but what can be done for me? The crisis is a time for the common good striving against great problems. Both have their place in the cycle, but clinging to selfishness beyond its time is a flaw in the conservative thinking. Royalist, slaveowner, fascist, racist… it is all the same. Just expect the greatest flaw in the culture to be addressed. If you happen to be an elite or a racist, too bad.
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Re: Politicizing Death

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tim wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:29 pm
America has an obesity problem.
Yes, America has an obesity problem. It contributed to the Covid deaths. That doesn’t mean we should politicize obesity, shame people who don’t meet some arbitrary standard. Hating those that are different is a conservative thing. Tribal thinking. Define some reason to feel superior to another group and oppress. I am not crazy about people putting on extra weight, but any time one wants to politicize hatred I get nervous.

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** 01-Aug-2021 World View: Weight loss
tim wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:29 pm
> The most important decision someone can make to be healthy is to
> not be obese. ... How many COVID deaths were obese
> people?
It's always so much fun to be lectured at by you thin people. Your
friends and family who are overweight must be really thrilled to see
you when you sneer at them and tell them how morally superior you are
to them because you're thin and they're not. It must be very
gratifying for you.

So let me tell you my experience.

Back in the 1980s, I went through a period of 4-5 years when I dieted
every day. I kept track of everything I ate, and I kept track of the
calories and carbohydrates, and wrote them all down and saved them.
In addition, three or four times a week I went to the gym and worked
out for an hour. So I was in really good shape.

Then one day towards the end of this period, it suddenly dawned on me
that I had gained 4 pounds a year for each of the last four years.
Since I follow trends, this was actually a tremendous shock to me and
was extremely depressing to me. (Well, I'm depressed all the time
anyway, but this was even more depressing.)

By extrapolating backwards, I realized that I had been gaining about
four pounds a year for a long time. In other words, the dieting and
workouts made no difference. Any effects were transitory, to use a
word that is becoming popular.

So I was very depressed about this, and I made a graph of my weight
for the next 30 years and showed it to my doctor. He thought I was
crazy (nothing new there - everyone thinks I'm crazy). But lo and
behold, my actual weight pretty much followed the graph for 25 years
or so, and only began leveling off around a decade ago (thank
goodness!).

During that 25 year period, there were times when I ate way too much
for a while and gained weight, but then my weight fell again to the
figure on the graph. During other times, I went on huge 6-month very
low carb diets, or some other diet (have you ever tried the "rice
diet"?), and I lost weight on all of them, only to gain it back to the
figure on the graph.

So eat too much, eat too little, or eat just right, and my weight
always returned to the graph. In other words (GASP!), the Law of
Regession to the Mean applies to weight just as much as it applies to
inflation!!!

So there are lots of weight loss systems on the market today:
Nutrisystem, Atkins, Noom, Lumen Metabolism, colon cleanse, DietToGo,
BistroMD, Freshology, Sunbasket, and probably a thousand more that
didn't come up on google.

Every one of these systems -- EVERY ONE -- is snake oil. They'll
charge you a great deal of money, they'll tell you how to lose weight,
and they'll lie to you and tell you how to keep it off, but every one
of them has a recidivism rate of 99%. If some diet scheme ever had a
recidivism rate of even 90%, it would be major international news. So
until you see such a headline, assume the system you're paying
exhorbitant money for is worthless.

The exception would be a situation where you have to lose weight
temporarily, such as to fit into a wedding gown. In that case, go on
one of the commercial systems, or devise your own. Just realize that
once the wedding is over, the weight will all come back.

I have a number of additional weight loss tips that I'll post at some
point, but that's enough for now.

As for Covid, I fit all the risk factors -- I'm male, I'm old, and I'm
overweight. So unlike saints like you, I would probably be killed by
Covid.

So tim, whenever you get up on your high horse and sneer at or
ridicule someone because he weighs more than you do, just remember
that what you're doing is no different from sneering at someone for
having cancer.

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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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Does obesity contribute to poor health or not? Is obesity not a major risk for COVID?

These are simple facts. Moral superiority has nothing to do with it.

Why was most of America not obese only until the past few decades?

We have a leftist movement in the U.S. that is pushing obesity to the new normal. Its called the "Fat Acceptance Movement".

Do you not see the irony in trying to force healthy people to take an experimental shot with no long term safety data while trying to say obesity is normal and should be celebrated?
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Re: Politicizing Death

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Bob Butler wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:37 pm
tim wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:29 pm
America has an obesity problem.
Yes, America has an obesity problem. It contributed to the Covid deaths. That doesn’t mean we should politicize obesity, shame people who don’t meet some arbitrary standard. Hating those that are different is a conservative thing. Tribal thinking. Define some reason to feel superior to another group and oppress. I am not crazy about people putting on extra weight, but any time one wants to politicize hatred I get nervous.
Arbitrary standard? Is there not a standard saying what exactly is obese?

I pointed out simple facts. You brought emotion into it immediately as all leftists do.

Obesity is either a health risk or not a health risk. There is no middle ground. This is the same way of thinking that destroyed the biological fact of two genders.

My point is that you leftists want to force healthy people to take an experimental shot. I did not receive the shot, caught COVID, and was fine. I am responsible for myself. You don't get to force me or anyone else to take a shot. In your mind I am the bad guy because I don't participate in medical experiments. If it was up to you, you would hold people down and force them to participate in the medical experiments against their will. You leftists have been crying "fascism" for years. Look in the mirror.
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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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** 01-Aug-2021 World View: Poor health
tim wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 2:17 pm
> Does obesity contribute to poor health or not? Is obesity not a
> major risk for COVID?

> These are simple facts. Moral superiority has nothing to do with
> it.
Do you not see the irony of criticizing someone for something they
have no control over?

Do you do the same with people who have cancer?

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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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No control over? What is your explanation for the rising obesity rates over the decades? Are people genetically different then they were 50 years ago?

If you smoke two packs of cigarettes a day then come down with lung cancer am I suppose to feel sorry for you?

Your CDC, which told you to get your experimental shot, says obesity-related conditions are the leading cause of premature death.

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
Obesity is a common, serious, and costly disease

The US obesity prevalence was 42.4% in 2017 – 2018.

From 1999 –2000 through 2017 –2018, US obesity prevalence increased from 30.5% to 42.4%. During the same time, the prevalence of severe obesity increased from 4.7% to 9.2%.

Obesity-related conditions external icon include heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and certain types of cancer. These are among the leading causes of preventable, premature death.

The estimated annual medical cost of obesityexternal icon in the United States was $147 billion in 2008. Medical costs for people who had obesity was $1,429 higher than medical costs for people with healthy weight.
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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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** 01-Aug-2021 World View: Feeling sorry
tim wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:20 pm
> No control over? What is your explanation for the rising obesity
> rates over the decades? Are people genetically different then they
> were 50 years ago?
I don't know. What's your explanation? Are people more morally
inferior than they were 50 years ago?
tim wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:20 pm
> If you smoke two packs of cigarettes a day then come down with
> lung cancer am I suppose to feel sorry for you?
Oh really? What about someone who didn't smoke at all, but got cancer
anyway. Would you say the same thing?

Tim, I get the feeling you're close to saying some things you'll
regret later. I suggest that you think for a day before posting again
on this subject.

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Re: Polyticks: Bob Butler's Perspective

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John wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:26 pm
** 01-Aug-2021 World View: Feeling sorry
tim wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:20 pm
> No control over? What is your explanation for the rising obesity
> rates over the decades? Are people genetically different then they
> were 50 years ago?
I don't know. What's your explanation? Are people more morally
inferior than they were 50 years ago?
tim wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:20 pm
> If you smoke two packs of cigarettes a day then come down with
> lung cancer am I suppose to feel sorry for you?
Oh really? What about someone who didn't smoke at all, but got cancer
anyway. Would you say the same thing?

Tim, I get the feeling you're close to saying some things you'll
regret later. I suggest that you think for a day before posting again
on this subject.
We will have to agree to disagree.

No vaccine for me - anyone who wants one by all means get it. Just leave us alone who do not want it and don't blame us if it doesn't work.

I apologize if I offended you that was not my intention. I look at things in a rather unemotional way and have found out before that some people get offended by the way I argue my opinion.
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