Singularity and Generational Dynamics

[9_eU4oMpoNP]

I'm having trouble reconciling two of John's statements. Perhaps someone can show me how to walk this line. First, from the front page of the Generational Dynamics site (http://www.generationaldynamics.com/ww2010.htm):

Generational Dynamics is a historical methodology that analyzes historical events through the flow of generations, and uses the analysis to forecast future events by comparing today's generational attitudes to those of the past.

Second, from a recent weblog posting (http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 14#e091214):

There is absolutely no way to know anything about what will happen after the Singularity occurs. . . . Here you have hundreds of brilliant climate change scientists, and apparently not a single one has considered the possibility that everything they're doing is meaningless with the Singularity coming.

Put together, is John saying that Generational Dynamics can only be used to forecast future events until the Singularity (which, by his estimate, will occur in approx. 20 years)?

[John]

> Put together, is John saying that Generational Dynamics can only
> be used to forecast future events until the Singularity (which, by
> his estimate, will occur in approx. 20 years)?

Yes. There's no way to predict anything that will or won't happen
after the Singularity.

In my book chapter, I included some speculations about what might
happen.

** Chapter 7 - The Singularity
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... book2.next


John

[9_eU4oMpoNP]

Thank you. That does, however, quite limit the applicability of generational dynamics as a long-range forecasting tool.

[OLD1953]

Well, it does show something quite interesting to me, the US and much of the world that survives WWIII will be just at the edge of an awakening period as the singularity goes into full acceleration. Will the new generation happily welcome the robots as the relievers of human drudgery or will they damn them as the destroyers of mankind?

I've got to admit, I sometimes wonder if the singularity is already here and we missed noticing the start of it. Fifteen years ago, for example, that vice president Gore was making speeches about business and this thing called the Internet, and people were just getting really interested in it. Bill Gates famously said that it wouldnt' amount to anything. And now removing the Internet from daily life would certainly cause a crash of epic proportions, possibly even causing the deaths of tens of millions.

A decade and a half, and the world changed HUGELY. All connected to computers that talk to other computers and carry human messages as part of their constant chatter.

[gerald]

Comments from the realms of alternative sources and thought. ( as questionable or crazy as you like, a what if, if you prefer )

Some have stated we use only a small portion of our brain, and that our genetics have been jumbled.
And both in such a way that we can't use our true mental and spiritual potential. A properly "advanced" being uses computers as tools and computers are not threats.

According to some translations of ancient Sumerian by Zacharia Sitchin, from the 'Earth Chronicles' series, humans were created about 250,000 years ago
for use in the South African Terrestrial gold mining operations by a bipedal mammalian humanoid race. ( the gold was used for the preservation of their planet's upper atmosphere)
After considerable effort terrestrial humanoids ( one of the great apes) were cross bred with their genes, creating humanity. Since the nonterrestrials didn't want to be threatened by the humans and wanted good subservient slaves, the humans were made less intelligent for easier control. One of the side effects of this genetic manipulation was a fairly large amount of genetic damage causing numerous genetic diseases and deformities.

On a slightly different note, in the work of Maximillien de Lafayette, he states, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations are generally composed of spirit animated bipedal beings ( an example being humanity, but they are not necessarily mammalian) spirits seem to prefer some form of biology and avoid non biological forms.

So--- we may not have to worry about the singularity, all we have to do is fix our brains and genetics.

[John]

The first major application of intelligent computers will be warfare.
We can look forward to computerized soldiers killing people by the
2015-2020 time frame.

Here's an interesting article with plenty of pictures;

> 10 Sci-Fi Weapons That Actually Exist
> By Aaron Rowe, January 4, 2010

> Sure, the gear may look like it came straight out of Avatar or
> Battlestar Galactica. But all of the laser weapons, robots, sonic
> blasters and puke rays pictured here are real. Some of these
> weapons have already found their way onto the battlefield. If the
> rest of this sci-fi arsenal follows, war may soon be
> unrecognizable.

> Read on for a look at some of these futuristic weapons being
> tested today.

> ...

> http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/01 ... pons/all/1

John

[gerald]

The first major application of intelligent computers will be warfare.
We can look forward to computerized soldiers killing people by the
2015-2020 time frame.

Here's an interesting article with plenty of pictures;

> 10 Sci-Fi Weapons That Actually Exist
> By Aaron Rowe, January 4, 2010

> Sure, the gear may look like it came straight out of Avatar or
> Battlestar Galactica. But all of the laser weapons, robots, sonic
> blasters and puke rays pictured here are real. Some of these
> weapons have already found their way onto the battlefield. If the
> rest of this sci-fi arsenal follows, war may soon be
> unrecognizable.

> Read on for a look at some of these futuristic weapons being
> tested today.

> ...

> http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/01 ... pons/all/1

John

Yes, but the equipment is still "Tools" used by "spirits" to relieve the problem of "the boredom of existence", sorry if my playing with ideas may seem different or strange, strange ideas can be entertaining. And may even be true.

[gerald]

The first major application of intelligent computers will be warfare.
We can look forward to computerized soldiers killing people by the
2015-2020 time frame.

Here's an interesting article with plenty of pictures;

> 10 Sci-Fi Weapons That Actually Exist
> By Aaron Rowe, January 4, 2010

> Sure, the gear may look like it came straight out of Avatar or
> Battlestar Galactica. But all of the laser weapons, robots, sonic
> blasters and puke rays pictured here are real. Some of these
> weapons have already found their way onto the battlefield. If the
> rest of this sci-fi arsenal follows, war may soon be
> unrecognizable.

> Read on for a look at some of these futuristic weapons being
> tested today.

> ...

> http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/01 ... pons/all/1

John

Yes, and one of the oldest descriptions of robotic battles, translated from the ancient Sumerian cuneiform tablets, is epic of Gilgamesh, at least (4000BC)

Banda succeeded his father, Enmerkar, as King of Uruk. Banda married Ninurta's daughter, Ninsun, who bore Gilgamesh. Banda ( and later, his son Gilgamesh and Gilgamesh,s guard-android) went to the rocketpad at Baalbek to plead with the gods for a rocket to Nibiru for the immortality they enjoyed.
In Lebanon, near Inanna's home, Gilgamesh and the android tracked the security robot to the launchpad. As they watched a rocket launch, Inanna watched them from her skychamber. She saw them smash Enlil's robot. "At the entrance to the Cedar Forest its fire-belching monster their way blocked... To pieces it they broke.

One of the building blocks of Baalbek

http://godssecret.files.wordpress.com/2 ... k-good.jpg



Gerald