What's that you say? This form doesn't get weird enough you say. Well then lets crank it up. May be a little messy but tried to keep it somewhat clean.
John wrote:
You can have Fishy's universe, Heisenberg's universe, and John's
universe.
You can have the universe of all red balls, the universe of all green
balls, and the universe of all yellow balls.
You can have the universe of all universes, which would be a member of
itself.
Or maybe it's a multiverse of all universes. But then you could have
the universe of all multiverses.
But you can't have the multiverse of all multiverses, because a
multiverse can only be a collection of universes, and a multiverse is
not a universe.
But can we have our cake and eat it too? Is the cake even real?
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https://www.mygov.in/sites/default/file ... xander.pdf
This near death experience also seems to have some correspondence with Dante's comedy.
Ch 5 on the underworld is interesting. It seems to be the form of ignorance humanity came from much the way Dante suggests.
The rhythmic pounding off in the distance sharpened and intensified as well
—became the work-beat for some army of troll-like underground laborers, performing
some endless, brutally monotonous task.
(shout out to russian trolls)
This sounds to be quite literally "The Myth of Sisyphus".
In the essay, Camus introduces his philosophy of the absurd, man's futile search for meaning, unity, and clarity in the face of an unintelligible world devoid of God and eternal truths or values. Does the realization of the absurd require suicide? Camus answers, "No. It requires revolt."
-wikipedia, the myth of sisyphus
If we take Eben's recollection to be approximately true then this gets really interesting. First it would mean that Camus was exactly on the money in asserting that a world devoid of God reduces to exactly this. What he doesn't realize is that this is quite possibly one of the strongest arguments to believe in God. The only way to transcend this nature would be belief in a higher power. The fact that this ideology is being presented in modern university classrooms is also telling.
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From chapter 7
The message had three parts, and if I had to translate them into earthly language, I’d
say they ran something like this:
“You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever.”
“You have nothing to fear.”
“There is nothing you can do wrong.”
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Ch.9
Again, from my present perspective, I would suggest that
you couldn’t look at anything in that world at all, for the word
at itself implies a separation that did not exist there
One-ness of everything
The pure vastness separating Om and me was, I realized, why I had the Orb as my
companion. In some manner I couldn’t completely comprehend but was sure of
nonetheless, the Orb was a kind of “interpreter” between me and this extraordinary
presence surrounding me
Interesting because similarly Dante had a guide (Virgil) through his process.
It was as if I were being born into a larger world, and the universe itself was like a
giant cosmic womb, and the Orb (who remained in some way connected to the Girl on
the Butterfly Wing, who in fact
was
she) was guiding me through this process.
This would make sense if God is a higher dimensional being and the universe is contained within God’s reality as a “subset”. The purpose of the universe is giving birth to us?
Through the Orb, Om told me that there is not one universe but many—in fact, more
than I could conceive—but that love lay at the center of them all. Evil was present in all
the other universes as well, but only in the tiniest trace amounts. Evil was necessary
because without it free will was impossible, and without free will there could be no
growth—no forward movement, no chance for us to become what God longed for us
to be. Horrible and all-powerful as evil sometimes seemed to be in a world like ours, in
the larger picture love was overwhelmingly dominant, and it would ultimately be
Triumphant.
Unfortunately for Fishey, it seems that John is right on this point of “multiverses”.
I saw the abundance of life throughout the countless universes, including some
whose intelligence was advanced far beyond that of humanity. I saw that there are
countless higher dimensions, but that the only way to know these dimensions is to enter
and experience them directly. They cannot be known, or understood, from lower
dimensional space. Cause and effect exist in these higher realms, but outside of our
earthly conception of them. The world of time and space in which we move
in this terrestrial realm is tightly and intricately meshed within these higher worlds. In other
words, these worlds aren’t totally apart from us, because all worlds are part of the
same overarching divine Reality. From those higher worlds one could access any time
or place in our world.
God being a higher dimensional being.
Knowledge was stored without memorization, instantly and for good. It
didn’t fade, like ordinary information does, and to this day I still possess all of it, much
more clearly than I possess the information that I gained over all of my years in school.
Information has some sort of connection to this realm but just one dimension of it.
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Oh Christians, arrogant, exhausted, wretched,
whose intellects are sick and cannot see,
who place your confidence in backward steps,
do you not know that we are worms and born
to form the angelic butterfly that soars
without defenses, to confront His judgment?
Why does your mind presume to flight when you
are still like the imperfect grub, the worm
before it has attained its final form?
- Dante
(source:
https://evolutionnews.org/2011/10/dante ... butterfly/)
Really interesting because Eben describes the underworld as the “Realm of the Earthworm’s - Eye View. Additionally, he makes repeated references to the angles having butterfly wings to the point that the cover of the book has a picture of a butterfly.
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Ch 12. The Core
This whole adventure, it began to occur
to me, was some kind of tour—some kind of grand overview of the invisible, spiritual
side of existence. And like all good tours, it included all floors and all levels.
similar to dante
In the worlds above, I slowly discovered, to know and be able to think of something
is all one needs in order to move toward it. To think of the Spinning Melody was to
make it appear, and to long for the higher worlds was to bring myself there.
Thought is sufficient for growth?
That doesn’t mean that I saw anything like the whole universe, either in my original
journey from the Earthworm’s-Eye View up to the Core, or in the ones that came
afterward. In fact, one of the truths driven home to me in the Core each time I returned
to it was how impossible it would be to understand all that exists—either its
physical/visible side or its (much, much larger) spiritual/invisible side, not to mention
the countless other universes that exist or have ever existed.
But none of that mattered, because I had already been taught the one thing—the only
thing—that, in the last analysis, truly matters … Love.
Love is, without a doubt, the basis of everything. Not some abstract, hard-to-fathom
kind of love but the day-to-day kind that everyone knows—the kind of love we feel
when we look at our spouse and our children, or even our animals. In its purest and
most powerful form, this love is not jealous or selfish, but
unconditional
. This is the
reality of realities, the incomprehensibly glorious truth of truths that lives and breathes
at the core of everything that exists or that ever will exist, and no remotely accurate
understanding of who and what we are can be achieved by anyone who does not know
it, and embody it in all of their actions.
We can only see what our brain’s filter allows through. The brain—in particular its
left-side linguistic/logical part, that which generates our sense of rationality and the
feeling of being a sharply defined ego or self—is a barrier to our higher knowledge and
experience.
Correlation between logical processing and ego. China and Germany both known for strong logical reasoning.
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Also not that I am into those doomsday end of times thing but I just stumbled on this that stood out:
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
— Revelation 12:7–10 (NIV)
The Christian tradition has stories about angelic beings cast down from heaven by God, often presenting the punishment as inflicted in particular on Satan. As a result of linking this motif with the cited passage of the Book of Revelation, the casting of Satan down from heaven, which other versions of the motif present as an action of God himself, has become attributed to the archangel Michael at the conclusion of a war between two groups of angels, of whom, because of the mention of the dragon's tail casting a third of the stars of heaven to the earth, one third are supposed to have been on the side of Satan, in spite of the fact that the casting down of the stars (Revelation 12:4) is recounted as occurring before the start of the "war in heaven" (Revelation 12:7).
Satan's rebellion has been attributed to a number of motives, all of which stem from his great pride. These motives include:
A refusal to bow down to mankind on the occasion of the creation of man as in the Armenian, Georgian, and Latin versions of the Life of Adam and Eve.[3] A similar view is held in Islamic tradition, in which Iblis refuses to bow down to Adam.[4]
The culmination of a gradual distancing from God through use of free will (an idea of Origen of Alexandria).[5]
A declaration by God that all were to be subject to his Son, the Messiah (as in Milton's Paradise Lost).[6]
Jonathan Edwards said in his sermon Wisdom Displayed in Salvation: "Satan and his angels rebelled against God in heaven, and proudly presumed to try their strength with his. And when God, by his almighty power, overcame the strength of Satan, and sent him like lightning from heaven to hell with all his army; Satan still hoped to get the victory by subtlety".[7]
- wikipedia war in heaven
Pride = ego
Not that
anyone could be editing some of these wikipedia articles.