by Navigator » Mon Nov 10, 2025 9:04 pm
FullMoon wrote: Mon Nov 10, 2025 12:14 pm
When ever I would ask for any help which wasn't often I was usually told to toughen up and pull myself up by my bootstraps and how I was lucky that I had it better than the poor illegals that were flooding the labor market and devaluing my labor. I worked 2 jobs for most of my life and sometimes I would work 3 jobs. That and a little bit of good luck is how I was able to get ahead, and still past generations were far better off than I am at this age. My brothers and I know what it's like to have a bad injury like a broken hand and still have to push through and keep working because you don't have any other choice.
I didn't "understand" fiscal prudence until I was riding a public city bus and realized I might not have enough money for the next week. I was living in a foreign country that didn't have handouts for the hungry (ironically it's a 'Communist' country PRC).
I live on the 'Left' coast and we've got plenty of Latino workers pretty much everywhere. I personally don't care about how they got here but wish that we had a fair system that lets people in a rational way. Because my ancestors immigrated here too. People who want to come and integrate and make the country better are appreciated. But I'm sure we've all seen that there's actually lots that haven't come to make it better and actually make it worse. It's bad enough that all of the effort and dreams of the founding fathers are being absolutely ruined by their own ancestors. The depressing part of following these things as they go along is that they were predictable and were predicted and now that they're apparent to everyone, there's no glory or happiness in being correct. Cassandra wasn't a happy story but a true story that generations STILL haven't understood.
I have no problem with people coming to the USA, working hard, and building a better life for themselves and their family.
The biggest problem with the recent/current situation is the people coming here who have no intention of working. Currently, it is costing the US taxpayer/government, over $60K per year per illegal immigrant. It is MUCH worse in Europe.
A sensible system would be a guest worker program. You can come in if you have a job lined up. You work, stay out of trouble, and then you can bring in your IMMEDIATE family, meaning your spouse and kids. NOT your extended family.
The problem with the guest worker program is that neither side wants it. Dems just want bodies, and are more than happy to buy their votes with handouts. Republicans are beholden to businesses that want to employ illegals with no documentation on the cheap.
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[quote]When ever I would ask for any help which wasn't often I was usually told to toughen up and pull myself up by my bootstraps and how I was lucky that I had it better than the poor illegals that were flooding the labor market and devaluing my labor. I worked 2 jobs for most of my life and sometimes I would work 3 jobs. That and a little bit of good luck is how I was able to get ahead, and still past generations were far better off than I am at this age. My brothers and I know what it's like to have a bad injury like a broken hand and still have to push through and keep working because you don't have any other choice.[/quote]
I didn't "understand" fiscal prudence until I was riding a public city bus and realized I might not have enough money for the next week. I was living in a foreign country that didn't have handouts for the hungry (ironically it's a 'Communist' country PRC).
I live on the 'Left' coast and we've got plenty of Latino workers pretty much everywhere. I personally don't care about how they got here but wish that we had a fair system that lets people in a rational way. Because my ancestors immigrated here too. People who want to come and integrate and make the country better are appreciated. But I'm sure we've all seen that there's actually lots that haven't come to make it better and actually make it worse. It's bad enough that all of the effort and dreams of the founding fathers are being absolutely ruined by their own ancestors. The depressing part of following these things as they go along is that they were predictable and were predicted and now that they're apparent to everyone, there's no glory or happiness in being correct. Cassandra wasn't a happy story but a true story that generations STILL haven't understood.
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I have no problem with people coming to the USA, working hard, and building a better life for themselves and their family.
The biggest problem with the recent/current situation is the people coming here who have no intention of working. Currently, it is costing the US taxpayer/government, over $60K per year per illegal immigrant. It is MUCH worse in Europe.
A sensible system would be a guest worker program. You can come in if you have a job lined up. You work, stay out of trouble, and then you can bring in your IMMEDIATE family, meaning your spouse and kids. NOT your extended family.
The problem with the guest worker program is that neither side wants it. Dems just want bodies, and are more than happy to buy their votes with handouts. Republicans are beholden to businesses that want to employ illegals with no documentation on the cheap.