by Bob Butler » Fri Feb 13, 2026 4:43 am
Fullmoonn wrote: Thu Feb 12, 2026 11:13 pm
DaKardii wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2026 1:43 am
DaKardii wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 8:07 pm
And once they do hear of it, they will buy that off too?
Why should we presume that every anti-establishment movement in the US is aligned with the enemy?
The origination of the nation was by anti-establishment people, was it not? But we also have to be aware that stirring up internal division and causing internal conflict is absolutely going on for us and by us abroad.
I actually have a little sympathy for Karl Marx. If you are revolting against kings or dictators, yes, you need an armed revolution. The American and French Revolutions were well before Marx, but the Marxist principles are there. The problem is that Communism results in dictatorships, Yes, you force out kings and dictators, but you replace them with dictators. If your revolutionary government doesn't include enlightenment values, the result of the revolution is not productive.
You need a form of government which benefits the people not the elites. Democracy does that in principle. You cannot forget entirely a loyalty to the voters. Still, it is tempting for the politicians to want to become part of the elite, to take favors and privilege.
I think Trump, MAGA and the GoP have become too obviously pro elite. Lately, they have not been serving their rural base well at all. The too few intermediate elections have been going Democratic. I can't help but think how heavy the vote swung in the last high. Congress went heavily Democratic for decades. It might happen again if the GoP stays loyal to the elites.
I think one should keep in mind whether political organizations act in the interests of the typical voter or the elites. The Trump variation of the GoP held while they really acted in the interests of MAGA. This unfortunately included a racist element, against blacks and latinos. That has faded somewhat in the second Trump term, but so has the loyalty to the rural voters. They are losing their base. They may lose Congress. The result may be similar to the shift in the last high.
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And once they do hear of it, they will buy that off too?
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Why should we presume that every anti-establishment movement in the US is aligned with the enemy?
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The origination of the nation was by anti-establishment people, was it not? But we also have to be aware that stirring up internal division and causing internal conflict is absolutely going on for us and by us abroad.
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I actually have a little sympathy for Karl Marx. If you are revolting against kings or dictators, yes, you need an armed revolution. The American and French Revolutions were well before Marx, but the Marxist principles are there. The problem is that Communism results in dictatorships, Yes, you force out kings and dictators, but you replace them with dictators. If your revolutionary government doesn't include enlightenment values, the result of the revolution is not productive.
You need a form of government which benefits the people not the elites. Democracy does that in principle. You cannot forget entirely a loyalty to the voters. Still, it is tempting for the politicians to want to become part of the elite, to take favors and privilege.
I think Trump, MAGA and the GoP have become too obviously pro elite. Lately, they have not been serving their rural base well at all. The too few intermediate elections have been going Democratic. I can't help but think how heavy the vote swung in the last high. Congress went heavily Democratic for decades. It might happen again if the GoP stays loyal to the elites.
I think one should keep in mind whether political organizations act in the interests of the typical voter or the elites. The Trump variation of the GoP held while they really acted in the interests of MAGA. This unfortunately included a racist element, against blacks and latinos. That has faded somewhat in the second Trump term, but so has the loyalty to the rural voters. They are losing their base. They may lose Congress. The result may be similar to the shift in the last high.