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mooreupp wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 11:22 pm Charlie Kirk's death going over badly in younger conservative circles. I don't think this is the fuse, but anger is mounting all around in society.

I hope John was correct about a civil war not happening. I also hope is belief in the difficulty we're going to face is not correct. But it's not looking good for either scenario as shown by this event and many events domestically and worldwide.

Charlie Kirk's death going over badly in younger conservative circles. I don't think this is the fuse, but anger is mounting all around in society.

But both sides of the aisle are dominated by creatures who portend our doom.

I couldn't have said it any better.

Thank you for a breath of fresh ocean "surf" air, even here on the open Southern Plains!

And even though I didn't vote this roundup time (first time too since '72, this due to the disdain and disarray of all the - putting it PG-14 mildly - BS of flowing out of both pathetic sides mouths and minds), you got mine, sir.

India's between a rock and a hard place.

They're not capable of standing up to China on their own, but so long as their strong ties to Russia continue, we're not going to fully trust them. During the Cold War, while technically non-aligned, they were far closer to the Soviet Union in practice.

The idea that India and China are going to have any kind of alliance is pure fantasy. They just about went to war as recently as 2020. Their conflict in the 1960s went badly for India and probably would have been worse had the USSR not intervened on their behalf. However, while the Soviet Union was strong enough to protect them, Russia is not. In fact, China has continued to seize Indian territory.

While they've modernized to a degree, India's been much less successful than China. While they've managed to build something resembling an independent military industry, they're still dependent on exports from Russia, France, and other nations. I doubt they'll be involved in this war from the outset, but sooner or later, they're going to get dragged in. While Russia might like India, they're going to be dependent on China for the foreseeable future.

DaKardii wrote: Fri Sep 05, 2025 10:20 am And whose fault is that?

https://nypost.com/2025/09/05/us-news/t ... est-china/

“Looks like we’ve lost India and Russia to deepest, darkest, China,” Trump snarked on Truth Social as he shared an image of Chinese President Xi Jinping, Russia’s Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi together on the world stage.

“May they have a long and prosperous future together!

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It would be nice to have a more diplomatic approach. At such a critical juncture it would be nice to have respectable leadership. But both sides of the aisle are dominated by creatures who portend our doom. People still carry on with "normal" life as if we're not dangling over the precipice of doom and accelerating in that direction. Trump is showing that we're probably going to have epochal changes instead of just another average genocidal fourth turning.

And whose fault is that?

https://nypost.com/2025/09/05/us-news/t ... est-china/

The Ukrainians have successfully counter attacked the Russian penetration and have cut a lot of it off. They appear to have successfully sealed off the breach in their lines for now.

Trump is also finding out that there is no way to negotiate a peace with Putin. He wants what he has taken, plus some more. In reality a LOT more. And he isn't going to stop unless forced to.

Hopefully Trump will put the economic screws to Russia now.

We'll know in a couple weeks if this is a start of the Ukrainian front line breaking or merely a brief surge designed to send a message ahead of talks. Either way, it's still significant and I agree with Navigator that the cracks are beginning to show. Even with outside aid, Russia is still a lot bigger and has proven itself willing to endure devastating casualties for minor objectives. However, they can replace their losses; Ukraine can't.

The cost has been devastating. Close to a million casualties, with 250,000 dead for Russia, exhausting their vast Soviet-era stocks. They've lost around 4,000 tanks and 20,000 vehicles that can be independently verified, so the actual losses are certainly higher. They haven't managed to control the skies, and the war continues despite most analysts thinking it'd be over in a month at the outset. After 3.5 years, NATO would easily have been able to counter them... if they'd made even a moderate effort at rebuilding their military.

I've long suspected Trump has wanted to have NATO do the heavy lifting so we could focus all our efforts on China. After 3.5 years, though, they still haven't managed to get it together. Aid being held up in Congress led to lots of pretty speeches, but little substance. Trump temporarily cutting off aid led to hysterical proclamations all over social media and political press, declaring: "We'll never, ever forgive America for this!" Again, however, there's little substance to this, merely smoke. Financial aid is important, but Ukraine needs actual material to fight with.

It wasn't until 2024 that we saw any significant increase in military spending, and most of that was in Eastern Europe, who have a personal memory of Soviet domination. Western Europe has barely done anything. Germany's efforts are still stuck in committee, Britain and France were already at the 2% guideline (and neither has increased this over the last 3 years), Spain, Portugal, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Italy still haven't even begun. It's been so long since they've stood on their own, they've forgotten how. They'd have to make a few cuts to their social programs, but this is anathema to their public. Sure, they're happy to post "Slava Ukraine" and lecture the U.S. about how we've betrayed them, but while it makes them feel good about themselves, slogans don't equal preparedness.

The Russian breakthrough yesterday was surprisingly deep compared to daily progress over the past months. However, the breakthrough appears to be only infantry with small arms, as little to no heavy equipment is evidently with them.

Reports are that the Ukrainians in the area are critically short of personnel, and that enabled the breakthrough. However, the Ukrainians are quickly moving to counter attack, and may knock back the Russians who do appear to be somewhat overextended in the breakthrough area. It will be a race between Russians reinforcing and consolidating gains, and Ukrainians counter attacking.

But it does indeed appear that cracks are starting to form in the up to now formidable Ukrainian defenses.

There is no point in trying to "negotiate" with Putin. He will only use talks to his advantage.

It's clear to anyone honest AND in their right mind that Ukraine is essentially a lost cause. Europeans are panicking but they're crazier than the local loonies Leftists and the Russians certainly don't want anything to do with them besides giving them a lesson and putting them in their place. As is proper.
We can only hope that Trump is smart enough not to have been persuaded by their groveling and makes a deal with Russia that puts America first and gives us the edge we need that's been demolished by decades of stupidity and nation destroying decisions.