13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

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Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by Guest » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:52 am

Have the Taliban caught with NATO's tech? Will they ever? Will NATO ever win in Afghanistan? When will you ever learn?

If all you have is technology, you'd better hope the electricity doesn't go off. (Or the money doesn't run out.)

Am I the only one here not drinking the Kool-aid?

Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by vincecate » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:05 pm

With time do you think the Arabs will catch up to Israeli tech?

Next year Israel deploys "Iron Beam". Lasers that can shoot down millisles and drones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Beam

With Iron Dome and Bomb Shelters, Israel already has the best defense of any country against airplanes, rockets, missiles, bombs. With Iron Beam they will be even further ahead.

Since 2005 there have been 23 Palistinians killed for every Israeli:
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/14/5898581/ch ... ict-deaths

If they can keep up that ratio then they are a match for all the nearby Arabs.

Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by Guest » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:09 pm

Give it time. General Custer.

Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by vincecate » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:08 pm

Guest wrote: And I don't see anyone coming to Israel's aid.
Does it look like Israel needs someone to come to their aid?

Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by Guest » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:07 am

vincecate wrote:
Guest wrote:The army generals in Cairo might not like HAMAS, but the Arab street just might differ.
I agree but as long as these generals are in charge I don't see the Egyptian army coming to the aid of Hamas.
And I don't see anyone coming to Israel's aid.

Enjoy Paris.

Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by vincecate » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:21 am

Guest wrote:The army generals in Cairo might not like HAMAS, but the Arab street just might differ.
I agree but as long as these generals are in charge I don't see the Egyptian army coming to the aid of Hamas.

Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by Guest » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:28 am

The army generals in Cairo might not like HAMAS, but the Arab street just might differ.

Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by vincecate » Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:28 pm

John wrote:There were two categories of objections: Biblical prophecy, and history. I'll address both of them below.
There was a 3rd category of objection. There is a lot more to war than just having more civilians, or even soldiers. The technology, the training, the defensive systems (Iron Dome, bomb shelters) etc really make it so that man-for-man the Israelis will do more killing and less dying. Drones with anti-tank missiles and the Iron Dome that should stop incoming tanks and airplanes making it really hard for the Arabs to hurt Israel. You can see this in the numbers for the current fighting. Last I read, Israel had not lost a man yet. So we can't calculate a Arab deaths/Israeli deaths ratio in this fight so far, since we would get a divide by zero error. But the ratio is probably more than 20 Arabs killed for every Israeli killed, higher than the ratio of total nearby Arabs to Israelis.

All of this does not even look at the Nucear option. Here is some info on the 1973 war:

"That night Meir authorized the assembly of thirteen 20-kiloton-of-TNT (84 TJ) tactical atomic weapons for Jericho missiles at Sdot Micha Airbase, and F-4 aircraft at Tel Nof Airbase, for use against Syrian and Egyptian targets.[274] They would be used if absolutely necessary to prevent total defeat, but the preparation was done in an easily detectable way, likely as a signal to the United States.[276] Kissinger learned of the nuclear alert on the morning of October 9. That day, President Nixon ordered the commencement of Operation Nickel Grass, an American airlift to replace all of Israel's material losses."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

In the 41 years since then Israel has made more and larger bombs.

Also, Egypt does not like Hamas and won't even look the other way so they can bring stuff in by tunnel. They are not close to joining in their fight.

Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by Guest » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:22 pm

When I lived in France back in 1999, I read that there were six million Muslims (mostly Arab). Are you taking illegals into account? How about the birthrate? America was supposed to have 20 million illegals back in the 90s, and that number has supposedly remained unchanged. Perhaps the right in France is, well, right?

Re: 13-Jul-14 World View -- Will Israel win the next war ?

by Guest » Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:18 pm

Guest wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Ron Rosenbaum writes in his 2012 book How the End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear World War III that, in his opinion, in the "aftermath of a second Holocaust", Israel could "bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)" as well as the "holy places of Islam." He writes that "abandonment of proportionality is the essence" of the Samson Option.
I'd rather be dead than be a victim of nuclear blackmail. As John has pointed out, a nuclear war would not destroy the world, just parts of it. What's next, India demanding free oil and gold or it will unleash a nuclear war?

I think it is in everyone's interest to work for a just peace. I don't think people will, so we are probably going to end up in a nuclear war as John has predicted.

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