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Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by Tames » Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:50 am

Naval forces encompass maritime military units responsible for protecting national interests at sea. They deploy ships, submarines, and beg crunch aircraft to conduct operations such as defense, surveillance, and humanitarian assistance, safeguarding territorial waters and promoting global security.

Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by jamesthomas171 » Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:23 am

Despite the fact that very few people understand generational dynamics, even idiots in Washington understand that if Israel attacks Iran, it will almost probably result in a big conflict throughout the region.If that happens, we won't be able to remain neutral for very long.

Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by jamesthomas171 » Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:20 am

Even idiots in Washington understand that if Israel attacks Iran, it will almost certainly lead to a major war throughout the region, despite the fact that very few people understand generational dynamics. We won't be able to stay out of it for long if that happens.

Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by Lesteraction123 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:59 pm

Attacks with slim prospects of success are a common component of crisis warfare. How could we possibly have been insane enough to battle the mightiest empire in history? That is how we got to be a nation. Yet we actually did that.

Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by rebel1 » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:09 am

Attacks with slim prospects of success are a common component of crisis warfare. How could we possibly have been insane enough to battle the mightiest empire in history? That is how we got to be a nation. Yet we actually did that.

Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by Reality Check » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:58 pm

Trevor wrote: Once Iran gets the bomb, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt will have nuclear weapons as well. All of them are begging us to do something about their nuclear program, but if we haven't acted by now, I don't think we're going to and I doubt it would completely stop the program even in that unlikely event.
I agree that nothing short of regime change in Iran will permanently stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

I believe the chance of Obama using that much military force against Iran is less than zero.

I believe the most that could be expected from Obama would be a "golf clap" type attack on Iran, then an I told you war would never work speech from President Obama after Iran conducts a nuclear weapons test.

A much more serious and prolonged attack on Iran's infrastructure might delay the program for five years, even if the current regime stays in power in Iran, but I believe the chance of Obama launching such an attack is zero.

Which is why I believe Israel attacking Iran in the next few weeks is more likely, than not, if it still looks like Obama is going to get re-elected a week from now.

Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by Reality Check » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:07 pm

I believe an attack by Israel on Iran in the next few weeks, is more likely, than not, for many reasons:

1. The Israeli government has been preparing their own people for war and, as you noted, Israeli civilians are scared.

2. Canada, pulled it's embassy and it's diplomats out of Iran in the past couple of weeks. Now Great Britain and Canada have no diplomats in Iran and are free to join in if Iran tries to retaliate by closing international water ways.

3. This massive naval exercise, at the same time as Obama refuses to set deadlines for Iran, means it is now or never for Israel to attack. Obama has called Israel's bluff, Obama refused to even meet with the Prime Minister of Israel, and it is very probable Israel was not bluffing. Obama appears to be heading for re-election at this point in time. Obama as President and Iran with Nuclear weapons may scare the leaders of Israel more than the results of starting a war of choice with Iran right now.

4. Sunni Muslim Arab leaders are distracted by power struggles between Islamists and Monarchists and Secularists within some countries and between different Islamist political parties ( and their militias ) in other countries.

Iran is in a lose, lose situation, if Israel attacks now. Iran will be forced to counter attack, but how and against who is the problem. Any attack on U.S. Interests, including the interests of Sunni Gulf states, anywhere in the world will bring a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Worlds only Naval superpower who happens to have it's navy parked right next to Iran at that moment.

Failure by Iran to attack U.S. interests any where will make Iran look weak, after Iran has threatened the U.S. so publicly.

Iran will be forced to ask Hamas and Hezbollah to attack Israel. Hamas may refuse, after all Hamas is Sunni and they now have the backing of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Hezbollah, Lebanon and the Gaza Strip ( if Hamas elects to commit suicide ) will not recover from the war for decades, if ever. Hezbollah's enemies in Lebanon will attempt to finish off what ever is left of Hezbollah after Israel has done it's damage.

Iran's ally in Syria will be finished off by Sunni Muslims while Iran is distracted in Iran, the Persian Gulf and Lebanon.

Iran will survive, but Iran will be weaker, with most of it's military infrastructure in shambles and with fewer allies and more enemies.

The big winner will be the Sunni Muslim countries. They will win Syria ( or at least most of it ) and increase their influence in Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank.

Iraq will replace Syria as the site of an ongoing proxy war between Sunni controlled Arab countries and Shia Iran.

Israel will pay a price and buy a few more years as the only country in the Mid-East with nuclear weapons. Israel will have more Sunni Muslim enemies as neighbors and the Demographics, Geography and Economics will still get worse for Israel every year. Peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt maybe destroyed, if attacks by Isreal on Lebanon and the Gaza Strip are part of this "war of choice" by Israel.

Obama may win re-election, or lose re-election, based on how such a war of choice by Israel plays out.

Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by Trevor » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:46 pm

I've listened to some of those people and their claims are that 50-100 Hiroshima sized bombs would be enough to cause a nuclear winter effect. If that had any truth in it at all, it would have already happened, since the largest bomb ever tested was 50 megatons.

Once Iran gets the bomb, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Egypt will have nuclear weapons as well. All of them are begging us to do something about their nuclear program, but if we haven't acted by now, I don't think we're going to and I doubt it would completely stop the program even in that unlikely event.

Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by Trevor » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:43 pm

What I meant was a crisis war, at least for most of the countries in the region, like Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia. I'm not sure what timeline Yemen's on, but they'd likely be dragged into it as well.

I'm not too sure how much an Israeli strike would harm Iran. At most, it would slow down their nuclear program and I think the world has pretty much resigned itself to a nuclear Iran.

And if that happened, a substantial number of Iranians would blame it on their own government. Remember how many people said that we "deserved" the September 11th attacks in the days after the destruction, including people in this country. Nevertheless, I think they would retaliate, at least in an indirect fashion.

Syria's a case where I think the older generation is going to win. They've lasted as long as they have through receiving weapons and the influx of foreign fighters in Aleppo, but I don't see that state of events lasting forever.

As always, the key is the Palestinians. Sooner or later, they're going to attack. All the international attention and focus on peace has slowed it down to some degree, but nothing is going to keep it bottled up forever. I can't give an exact date, but I would expect it shortly after the financial collapse.

Re: Naval Forces Massing - Largest in History for Region

by Reality Check » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:32 pm

One must remember that one definition of a crisis war is that the very existence of the country for which it is a crisis war must be at stake.

One could argue that an attack by Israel on Iran that destroyed Iran's ability to Attack Israel with nuclear weapons, even if it was a very, very minor war, would still be a crisis war for Israel.

If Israel believed it's very existence was at stake, and if indeed Iran intended to use nuclear weapons on Israel once it had them, then it would indeed be a crisis war.

Even if Iran did not retaliate to such an attack it could still be a crisis war for Israel.

Unlike a nuclear attack on the United States by China, which, as John has pointed out, would not be as destructive as anti-Nuke fanatics portray, for the simple fact that the United States is geographically vast and the destructive power of nuclear weapons is much more limited than anti-Nuke fanatics portray.

In the geographically tiny country of Israel a few well placed nuclear strikes on Israel surrounded, by mortal enemies, both within and without it's borders, a nuclear war waged against Israel could be a major factor in the Country of Israel ceasing to exist.

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