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Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Guest » Mon Jun 17, 2024 10:10 am

Toronto and Vancouver have both made a list of the top 10 "impossibly unaffordable" cities. The cost of housing is the number one factor.

The massive increase in price coincides with the decrease in the actual quality of life in these cities. Vancouver is becoming known for drug addicts lying in the street while Toronto is becoming known for car theft.

The ridiculously high cost of living in these cities isn't due to their quality as places to live increasing. It's due to the enormous increase in demand for housing as a result of mass immigration. This is probably true for most of the other cities on this list too.

Not only is Canada becoming a third world country, it's becoming an extremely expensive third world country.

Re: MAGA

by Bob Butler » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:48 am

Guest wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:05 am
Is it fair to say that one person plus msnbc and the mainstream media form your opinion of Trump supporters? That would explain things.
I guess the short answer likely to find its way into future history books is that MAGA was an alliance of convenience between religious fanatics, bigots and elites, each with an ability to ignore the other's flaws. The religious fanatics lost the woman's vote, thus the ability to win elections. The bigots lost their habit of large scale violent protest after January 6. The elites noticed the opposition's favorable economic indicators. Crisis end. We'll see.

Re: MAGA

by Guest » Mon Jun 17, 2024 9:05 am

Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:04 pm
Guest wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:29 pm
How many people have you actually met or do you personally know that fit your description of MAGA?
Absurdly few. I retired before the MAGA movement. In a tourist area of a blue state, no one much talks politics from a red perspective. My current once a week cleaner is a Trump fan, but I kind of crushed her when she tried to defend it. I imagine there are others, but few seem eager to argue politics in real life.

Do you bump into and hold discussions with progressives?
Is it fair to say that one person plus msnbc and the mainstream media form your opinion of Trump supporters? That would explain things.

I actually do talk to progressives quite a bit. My sisters for starters. Several women I’ve dated in the past few years. Friends and coworkers. A good friend who despises Trump. I live in a blue-ish metro area in a red state and my county of half a million votes about 50/50 each way. For most of the progressives I know, their views aren’t quite as extreme as yours and most of the time if we talk politics it’s only briefly because people are so entrenched with their viewpoints no one is going to change their minds. No point in it ruining relationships over that.

And I still get along with them just fine, almost all of them are good people who mean well but form their opinions from far left biased news sources. I realize there are plenty of right wing biased news sources as well, all news should be viewed with skepticism. Many are compassionate people but extremely gullible. Mostly that’s the women which is what makes up most of the progressive base. The progressive men I know are wealthy - lawyers, investment bankers, medical specialists, etc. they vote blue because they know the democrats look out for them and their industries.

A lot of people in general in my area are now seeing how democrat policy is playing out in real life (general inflation, housing inflation, worsening public education, reduced services for the poor, homelessness, endless war) and changing their minds without debating anyone. They’re being affected in real life. Many still don’t make the connection though and will continue to vote blue. As for my sister, I suspect if the democrats in charge ramp up the Ukraine war to the point of drafting her military age son and daughter, she might reconsider her vote. She’s a one per center though so life is good for her under Biden.

Re: MAGA

by Bob Butler » Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:20 am

Guest wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:07 am
She realized its was pointless to even try debating with you. 'Ceushed her?' More like shouted her down with viens popping out of your forehead..
Why do you say that? This forum contains a bunch of intense conservatives and no one has corrected my interpretation of MAGA or offered a differing one. Instead the response has been to make up lies, or in the case of Tom Mazanec to confirm an attempt to spread a European religious belief they are attempting to enforce by the power of government.

Re: Generational Dynamics World View News

by Tom Mazanec » Mon Jun 17, 2024 6:43 am

A Crime Against Humanity So Horrifying That I Don’t Even Have The Words To Describe It
June 13, 2024
https://themostimportantnews.com/archiv ... escribe-it
When we read about ancient societies that worshipped their gods by conducting child sacrifices, many of us recoil in horror. But the truth is that far more children are being murdered in our time, and the vast majority of the population is perfectly okay with that. In ancient times, in most cases it wasn’t children that were wanted that were brought to the child sacrifices. Instead, in most cases such ceremonies were a perfect opportunity to get rid of children that were not wanted. Today, unwanted children are discarded behind closed doors at an abortion clinic. This is being done on an industrial scale, but since we never have to see it happening most of us are able to ignore the slaughter most of the time. Of course that doesn’t make our society any less guilty than the ancient societies that performed child sacrifices publicly.

Here in the United States, more than 60 million abortions have been performed since 1973.

Re: MAGA

by Guest » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:07 am

Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:04 pm
Guest wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:29 pm
How many people have you actually met or do you personally know that fit your description of MAGA?
Absurdly few. I retired before the MAGA movement. In a tourist area of a blue state, no one much talks politics from a red perspective. My current once a week cleaner is a Trump fan, but I kind of crushed her when she tried to defend it. I imagine there are others, but few seem eager to argue politics in real life.

Do you bump into and hold discussions with progressives?
She realized its was pointless to even try debating with you. 'Ceushed her?' More like shouted her down with viens popping out of your forehead..

Re: MAGA

by Bob Butler » Sun Jun 16, 2024 11:04 pm

Guest wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:29 pm
How many people have you actually met or do you personally know that fit your description of MAGA?
Absurdly few. I retired before the MAGA movement. In a tourist area of a blue state, no one much talks politics from a red perspective. My current once a week cleaner is a Trump fan, but I kind of crushed her when she tried to defend it. I imagine there are others, but few seem eager to argue politics in real life.

Do you bump into and hold discussions with progressives?

Re: MAGA

by Guest » Sun Jun 16, 2024 10:29 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:08 pm
spottybrowncow wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 4:52 pm
On another note, you are obviously obsessed with the word "MAGA." I'm pretty realistic, more conservative than some, more liberal than many, yet I don't have a clear grasp of what a "MAGA" is. Would you be good enough to tell us, definitively ,what you mean by "MAGA?"
MAGA is of course ‘Make America Great Again’, which is Trump’s primary slogan. If you favor Trump, some will call you part of MAGA. Still, different people support Trump for different reasons. You might agree with one and find others irrelevant or bad in some way. So, what are some of his policies that might garner support or incite dislike?

Some religious people oppose abortion. Some bigots oppose minorities. Some whites believe the US is an euro centric nation thus they should force European behaviors on the supposedly equal but different. Some elites want lower tax rates on elites. (Duh.) While some might believe several of the above, I suspect few would be all of the above. Not all devout people, bigots and elites are the others.

And each group has its opposite. Women favor family planning. Minorities oppose cultural aggression. Poorer people want the rich to pay their fair share towards government. I guess I sympathize with all these groups.

Then too part of Trumps policies are more Trump than the broad rural population plus the Wall Street Journal readers. The Republican economic policy seems to be tax breaks for the rich and deficit spending. This I would disagree with. Then too I don’t support weaponizing the Justice Department, fake electors or insurrection. I don’t think a lot of people do. Putin is not my favorite person. I oppose Trump more than MAGA as such.

Could I ask for alternate ideas on how America could be made great again? Why would you support a racist criminal? Asking me to articulate MAGA is hardly likely to result in a favorable result. Is there anyone who thinks Trump is cool enough to ignore his obvious flaws? Why?

I agree having more fathers present would be desirable, but do not see how this disproves the leaded gas hypotheses. There is more than one factor in inducing crime.
How many people have you actually met or do you personally know that fit your description of MAGA?

Stereotyping

by Bob Butler » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:46 pm

spottybrowncow wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:14 pm
Biden has a far worse track record on racism than Trump...
Hmm. I note that instead of defining or defending MAGA you attacked Biden. Allowed, but it indicates you think MAGA cannot be defended. Does everyone else agree? Did I get it wrong, mischaracterize the various elements?

Yes, the ghetto mindset exists. Yes, there are drug addicts who rob to continue their habits and pushers who belong with Trump behind bars. Laws that further that end are good and proper. It is just that as there is more than one form of MAGA supporter there are many forms of minorities. A racist will tend to lump all members of a minority together. All members of the minority are associated by a racist with the worst criminals. As an engineer I worked with several minority engineers who did not fit the criminal gang member stereotype at all. I suspect Biden thinks the same way. You incarcerate the criminals and leave others alone, no matter the skin pigment.

Re: MAGA

by spottybrowncow » Sun Jun 16, 2024 9:14 pm

Bob Butler wrote:
Sun Jun 16, 2024 7:08 pm
Why would you support a racist criminal?
Biden has a far worse track record on racism than Trump. Biden has helped pass legislation incarcerating blacks, and called them "predators."
People who do things like that never change. He still values blacks only for their votes, and spits upon them otherwise.

Here is a candid video showing what blacks really think of Trump. This video will come as a shock to people who get all their news from MSNBC, CNN, etc because they would never show the video because it doesn't fit their "Orange Man Bad" narrative. This was filmed next to a center of HBCU in Atlanta, so the people in the video are likely able to think for themselves and don't succumb to false progressive narratives.
In other words, they are one of the democrats worst problems. Wait, do they like him because he bought them milkshakes??? OMG, that sounded so RACIST!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TTbdjhNEK4

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