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Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by FullMoon » Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:23 am

You've documented well the illnesses of mind and body wrought by our modern society. In the respect that we'd be forced into living a life less modern, collapse might be beneficial. We've perhaps swung past the point of diminishing returns on modernity. We'll swing back into primitivism and then hopefully sometime within our children's lives find a healthy stasis. At least on some level and in sufficient size for civilization. It's easy to not think about the danger's ahead (majority view of head in the sand), but also become perhaps overly alarmed when reality hits you in the face (Bret Weinstein). I remember John saying that he thinks it will be 20 years, a generation and normal rebuilding timeline, to recover from the horrible things about to unfold. But you think it's just a big drop before continued and prolonged downside. And Navigator is even more apocalyptic in a religious sense.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:09 pm

FullMoon wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:25 pm
Higgenbotham wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:31 pm
Clearer Thinking Podcast: Why Do Civilizations Collapse? And Is Ours Next?

Section on how he thinks our civilization might fail:
https://youtu.be/HbFxTUm4AAc?t=2257
I would substitute might with will. There's nothing in the way of this out of control train... Except the cliff very near.
A lot of people who study collapse talk about the future of collapse in terms of what has been happening under the surface for decades. So in the video he talks about a slow, steady deterioration of quality, affordability, and other things like that. Then he talks in terms of what happens when the steady deterioration moves faster than economic growth, that there will be a slow steady collapse of industrial production until it bottoms out at some percentage of current production.

Rather than that, it seems more likely that the complex chains that supply today's industrial production processes will break. Most of the components used to make, for example, a car will still be able to be supplied, but there will be a few critical components that can't be supplied at all. Once that continues for some length of time (maybe just a few weeks), a decision point will come where it will appear more advantageous to re-engineer the process to produce a less complex car. Then the question will be whether the human and financial capital is available to do this or whether it would be better for the company to go bankrupt and shut down, given that this process would be likely to repeat. It's been my opinion that big box retail is the area where the shutdowns will happen most quickly and pervasively.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by FullMoon » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:25 pm

Higgenbotham wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:31 pm
Clearer Thinking Podcast: Why Do Civilizations Collapse? And Is Ours Next?

Section on how he thinks our civilization might fail:
https://youtu.be/HbFxTUm4AAc?t=2257
I would substitute might with with will. There's nothing in the way of this out of control train... Except the cliff very near.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:08 pm

Joseph Tainter on The Dynamics of the Collapse of Human Civilization

https://youtu.be/JsT9V3WQiNA?t=1397
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do i think that the transition will be graceful or is there a potential for a dark age
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i'm not sure that i know and i think there is potential for a dark age
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one of the problems that i see is that so many people who have to individually accept
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the cost of the transition are unaware that it's coming most of our citizens wake up in the
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morning and worry about the morning commute and getting the kids to school
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and paying the mortgage and thinking about a new car or a vacation or whatever
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and this is simply too narrow a scale of thinking to address the problems that we have we need people to be aware of the global
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forces that affect their lives and that will increasingly affect their lives in the future
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if this awareness doesn't develop then i'm afraid the transition will probably be wrenching
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and by wrenching what do you mean
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i'm afraid if this awareness doesn't develop then i'm afraid that the transition will probably be abrupt
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difficult and painful for many of us yes some people believe that our civilization has arrived at a bottleneck

The bottleneck

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you know wilson talks about that in which the carrying capacity of the biosphere is in such a place that
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humanity we will have to radically change our ways or stand to lose billions of people now
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i know a lot of what you talk about is as the cause for collapse
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do you thought think at all about what it means to overshoot your resources as a source of collapse and in terms of
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the bottleneck do you see us in currently in a bottleneck where we're overshooting our resources
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are we currently approaching a bottleneck where we're going to overshoot our resources and potentially collapse
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societies in the past collapsed when they were unable to solve their problems or when they couldn't afford to solve
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their problems a major challenge that i see for the future is a convergence of problems
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each of which alone is a very great magnitude and that together may be overwhelming
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think in terms of all of the problems that are going to converge the very large problems that are going to converge
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in the next several decades global warming for example what are going to be the consequences the costs of adjusting to global warming
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how is the world going to absorb let us say half the population of bangladesh if so much of that nation is going to go
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underwater combine that with the looming problems in industrial societies of funding
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retirement pensions for the baby boomers the people my age the rising costs of health care the
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costs of our military spending the cost of rebuilding our infrastructure what i'm afraid i see in
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the future is a collision of all of these things converging at once and costing enormous amounts of money so
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how are we going to adjust to this how are we going to pay for it how are we going to have the wealth to
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solve the environmental problems that that we have created through through industrialism

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by aedens » Thu Sep 19, 2024 11:50 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHlcAx-I0oY
per our discussion from DTC to addition

Yeah, I agree with this. In the 1930s there were winners and losers. This time they will destroy everything, including themselves.


Thats the plan H. Sleepwalkers and yes, they are paid to destroy you.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:31 pm

Clearer Thinking Podcast: Why Do Civilizations Collapse? And Is Ours Next?

Section on how he thinks our civilization might fail:
https://youtu.be/HbFxTUm4AAc?t=2257

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:48 pm

L.A. LAW - All Openings - Theme Song Credits - (1986-1994) - Intro - Opening Credits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt6AZfEDQ5g
@brayster1979 1 month ago
1989 was peak America
This sentiment is turning up in a lot of places nowadays.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Wed Sep 18, 2024 4:46 pm

Scripps News/Ipsos poll: Majority supports mass deportation of undocumented immigrants
The poll also showcases major partisan divides between voters on how to address one of the biggest topics of the presidential race: immigration.

By: Andrew Rafferty
Posted 4:55 AM, Sep 18, 2024 and last updated 8:17 AM, Sep 18, 2024

A majority of Americans support the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants, according to a new Scripps News/Ipsos survey. (Scripps News)

Fifty-four percent of respondents said they “strongly” or "somewhat support” the policy, including 86% of Republicans, 58% of independents, and 25% of Democrats.

The poll, which focuses on the most talked about immigration policies of the 2024 campaign, showcases major partisan divides between voters on how to address one of the biggest topics of the presidential race.

Thirty-nine percent of respondents called immigration a top issue for them this campaign, second only to inflation, which topped the list at 57%.
https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/pa ... immigrants

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by aeden » Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:38 pm

The script will devastate the currency. Thats been the debt plan as they over run borders.
The sheep that hide behind democracy will not figure it out what they tossed away of there
constitutional republic and already have.

Re: Higgenbotham's Dark Age Hovel

by Higgenbotham » Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:10 pm

The Telegraph

Europe has finally realised the enormous costs of mass migration

Story by Daniel Johnson

Has Keir Starmer’s Britain become the softest touch in the West for illegal migrants? In a week when another 12 people drowned in the Channel and ministers squirmed under scrutiny about their still leaderless Border Command, attention turned to the Continent. “Rwanda’s back – but it’s Germany planning to use it,” screamed a tabloid headline on Friday. Tory leadership candidates fell over one another to claim German endorsement for their now defunct scheme.

Joachim Stamp, Berlin’s migration commissioner, had indeed floated the idea of processing asylum seekers in Rwanda, using facilities now sitting idle since Labour abandoned the policy as their first act in office. The irony of this turn of events will not be lost on British taxpayers, who paid hundreds of millions of pounds for these facilities in Kigali. And if the Germans are so eager to go ahead, where does that leave all the legal objections and moral outrage of our own liberal establishment?

In a further twist, Germany’s London ambassador, Miguel Berger, denied the story. “Let’s be clear,” he tweeted, “there is no plan of the German Government to deport asylum seekers to Rwanda.” But this official denial was a classic piece of diplomatic distraction. The ambassador added: “The discussion is about processing asylum applications in third countries under international humanitarian law and with the support of the United Nations.”

So Germany is considering sending asylum seekers to Rwanda. The only difference is that Stamp wants to put the scheme under UN supervision and target migrants entering the EU across its eastern borders — a tactic used by Putin’s Russia to destabilise Europe.

In Germany, the politics of migration is even more incendiary than in Britain. Last month a deadly terrorist attack in Solingen, allegedly by a Syrian asylum seeker, helped the Alternative for Germany (AfD) to become the first Right-wing nationalist party to win a state election since 1945. Olaf Scholz’s embattled centre-Left government responded by speeding up deportations. True, there has been no popular unrest in Germany to compare with this summer’s riots in Britain. Over recent years, however, there have been hundreds of arson attacks on refugee hostels in the former East Germany. In some of these incidents, crowds of onlookers have cheered on the arsonists. Many blame Angela Merkel’s decision to admit more than a million migrants from Syria in 2015 for the rise of the AfD.

Friedrich Merz, her successor as leader of the Christian Democrats, has moved his party to the Right to head off the populist challenge. He wants to exclude all asylum seekers from Syria and Afghanistan. Expect more of this if he replaces Scholz as Chancellor after next year’s federal elections.

The migration debate is, of course, highly charged not only in Britain and Germany but also in France. There Michel Barnier, President Macron’s choice as Prime Minister, has a reputation as a hardliner on immigration. The direction of travel in France and Germany is therefore clear: on migration, both countries have had enough of the liberal policies that are still championed here by the Labour Government.

Across the EU, the idea of outsourcing asylum processing to third countries is gaining ground. Italy’s Giorgia Meloni has done a deal with Albania, while Denmark also plans to send migrants to Rwanda. Sweden, meanwhile, has reversed decades of porous borders: this year, more migrants will leave than arrive there.

Suddenly Starmer’s Britain — with mass immigration, both legal and illegal, still roaring ahead — looks like the odd man out among European countries. Nor is this likely to change any time soon. A Labour Government led by a human rights lawyer is not only out of step with Europe, but increasingly out of touch with British public opinion. Crushing the riots was the easy part. Finding a solution for migration will be much harder – especially if using third countries such as Rwanda is ruled out.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eu ... 1ac1&ei=88

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