2-Jan-11 News -- Terrorists attack Christian church in Egypt

[John]

2-Jan-11 News -- Worldwide condemnation for terrorist attack on Coptic Christian church in Alexandria, Egypt

Accusations of a pattern of attacks against Christians

** 2-Jan-11 News -- Worldwide condemnation for terrorist attack on Coptic Christian church in Alexandria, Egypt
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?xct=gd.e110102#e110102

[vincecate]

However, many politicians in the West saw this as part of a continuing pattern of radical Muslim extremist attacks on Christians. An LA Times analysis points to recent terrorist attacks on Christians in Iraq, Nigeria and other countries, and point out that Christian communities in countries such as Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iran are shrinking, as Christians emigrate.

Interesting that you can write about how Christians are emigrating away from attacks by Muslim extremists and yet still have no clue how Muslims could get to where they can enact Sharia Law in some new location.

[OLD1953]

The places they are emigrating away from, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt and so forth, already have Muslim majorities and already have Sharia law or a variant thereof. (Sharia is a TERRIBLE term, inexact, vague and about forty other things. We appear to be stuck with it.) The exception seems to be Iraq. Do we really need to discuss the situation in Iraq and why they can now move away from secular government?

[vincecate]

The places they are emigrating away from, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt and so forth, already have Muslim majorities and already have Sharia law or a variant thereof.

The method can be used to grow some Muslim territory on the edge of Paris, or wherever. It is not limited to whole countries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX7oezVO ... r_embedded
http://travellingjournals.com/isn%E2%80 ... s-pattern/

[John]

Do you guys believe that Muslim immigration into Europe is a Muslim
conspiracy to impose Sharia law on European countries?

If so, who do you believe is directing the conspiracy?

Do you believe that Latino immigration into the United States
is also a conspiracy?

John

[vincecate]

Do you guys believe that Muslim immigration into Europe is a Muslim conspiracy to impose Sharia law on European countries?

If so, who do you believe is directing the conspiracy?

The correct way to say it is that the spread of Sharia law is driven by the Ideology of Islam.

"An ideology is a set of ideas that constitutes one's goals, expectations, and actions. An ideology can be thought of as a comprehensive vision, as a way of looking at things (compare worldview), as in common sense (see Ideology in everyday society below) and several philosophical tendencies (see Political ideologies), or a set of ideas proposed by the dominant class of a society to all members of this society (a "received consciousness" or product of socialization). The main purpose behind an ideology is to offer either change in society, or adherence to a set of ideals where conformity already exists, through a normative thought process. Ideologies are systems of abstract thought applied to public matters and thus make this concept central to politics. Implicitly every political tendency entails an ideology whether or not it is propounded as an explicit system of thought. It is how society sees things."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

Sometimes an ideology can spread and impact huge numbers of people. Marx had an ideology that spread through many countries. Hitler had an ideology. America started with one. The Koran contains one.

[John]

While doing some research this morning on another topic, I came
across the article from the Catholic New Advent encyclopedia on
the Spanish Armada attack on England in 1588. The article describes
how Catholics supported the Spanish Armada attack against the
hated Protestant Queen Elizabeth.

But the article contains the following paragraph:

> There is no doubt that all the exiles for religion at that time
> shared Allen's sentiments, but not so the Catholics in
> England. They had always been the most conservative of English
> parties. The resentment they felt at being persecuted led them to
> blame the queen's ministers, but not to question her right to
> rule. To them the great power of Elizabeth was evident, the forces
> and intentions of Spain were unknown quantities. They might,
> should, and did resist until complete justification was set before
> them, and this was in fact never attempted. Much, for instance, as
> we know of the Catholic clergy then laboring in England, we cannot
> find that any of them used religion to advance the cause of the
> Armada. Protestant and Catholic contemporaries alike agree that
> the English Catholics were energetic in their preparations against
> it.
> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01727c.htm

In other words, the fanatical Catholics who were citizens of England
sided with the English against the Catholics.

I've previously mentioned that German-Americans sided with America
against the Nazis.

(Another example is that millions of Catholics go to Church every
Sunday, but they still use birth control.)

We should be careful before we condemn all Muslims who are citizens of
America or Europe. These people are going to be on our loyal allies,
and we're going to need their help when the time comes.

John

[vincecate]

In other words, the fanatical Catholics who were citizens of England sided with the English against the Catholics.

I've previously mentioned that German-Americans sided with America against the Nazis.

(Another example is that millions of Catholics go to Church every Sunday, but they still use birth control.)

We should be careful before we condemn all Muslims who are citizens of America or Europe. These people are going to be on our loyal allies, and we're going to need their help when the time comes.

John

Islam is also an Ideology/legal-system as well as a religion. So it can also also be compared to Communism, Fascism, Democracy, etc. Do you know of cases where serious communists/fascists/democrats were loyal to their country of residence (but different ideology) against others of their own ideology? The Germans in America were not Fascist.

[John]

> Islam is also an Ideology/legal-system as well as a religion. So
> it can also also be compared to Communism, Fascism, Democracy,
> etc. Do you know of cases where serious
> communists/fascists/democrats were loyal to their country of
> residence (but different ideology) against others of their own
> ideology? The Germans in America were not Fascist.

Catholicism at the time was also an ideology and legal system, pursued
fanatically in some quarters. Naziism was also an ideology and legal
system. Those are two perfectly good examples which, for whatever
reason, you chose to omit from your list. As for the rest, as far as
I know, Americans of all ideologies overwhelmingly sided with America
during World War II.

John

[vincecate]

> Islam is also an Ideology/legal-system as well as a religion. So
> it can also also be compared to Communism, Fascism, Democracy,
> etc. Do you know of cases where serious
> communists/fascists/democrats were loyal to their country of
> residence (but different ideology) against others of their own
> ideology? The Germans in America were not Fascist.

Catholicism at the time was also an ideology and legal system, pursued fanatically in some quarters. Naziism was also an ideology and legal system. Those are two perfectly good examples which, for whatever reason, you chose to omit from your list. As for the rest, as far as I know, Americans of all ideologies overwhelmingly sided with America during World War II.

I was just lumping Naziism and Fascism together and did not mean to slight Naziism (also I had an etc. there). These were the main ideologies that the US was fighting against in WW2. Were there any concentrations of Nazis or Fascist in America during WW2?