2-Jan-11 News -- Terrorists attack Christian church in Egypt

[JULLIEN]

The method can be used to grow some Muslim territory on the edge of Paris

Just try it. A genocidal war quickly will end it. The Seine river will be red with the blood of the "beurs" (a surname for children of north-african immigrants).
More seriously newcomers in France seem to me little interested by Sharia law and not at all by a islamic republic of France. They want jobs, money, respect (err... yes they have a one-sided vision of respect), more sex and the legalization of marijuana. But not an islamic republic.

[vincecate]

The method can be used to grow some Muslim territory on the edge of Paris

Just try it. A genocidal war quickly will end it. The Seine river will be red with the blood of the "beurs" (a surname for children of north-african immigrants).

How hard is it to get a gun legally in France? Do many people have them?

I sort of assumed that Europe is mostly unarmed (outside of Switzerland) and so an easy target for intimidation. In 2005 when two Muslim kids hid out in an electrical station and got electrocuted then thousands of cars were burned. Since Muslims have a higher birth rate, even when they are 10% of the population they might be 30% of the 19 year olds. So it may not be all that long before they have over 50% of the fighting age young men.

Or are you thinking the military? I think it will always be "just the extremists" and so hard to send in the military.

It sounds like they have effective control of parts of France already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_French_riots

[Raynote]

[quote="John"]
"The accusation that al-Qaeda is attacking Christians is true, but it's only a small part of the picture. Al-Qaeda linked groups attack Shia Muslims, Sufis, Sikhs, Hindus and other religious groups in different countries."

My question: are Shia muslim communities, Sufi, Sikh, Hindu communities, etc, shrinking as well, the way Christian communities are in muslim countries? I doubt it...

Vincecate: I think you're right, Europe is unarmed, or has been disarmed over the years for quite some time now. Moreover French young men are mostly pacifists and unwilling (and unfit) to fight, contrary to arabs or black immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Yes, we're in for a lot of trouble...

[vincecate]

Vincecate: I think you're right, Europe is unarmed, or has been disarmed over the years for quite some time now. Moreover French young men are mostly pacifists and unwilling (and unfit) to fight, contrary to arabs or black immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Yes, we're in for a lot of trouble...

I have just read "The Seven Myths of Gun Control" and am now reading "More Guns Less Crime". It really seems that people who don't have guns expect more out of the state and accept more control from the state. It does not seem healthy.

The truth is that 95+% of the time the police get there after the criminals are gone. So taking guns away from the good guys really helps the bad guys. After a time there will be many more bad guys. In 1972 they took all the guns away from anyone who followed the laws in Jamaica and murder rates are up by about a factor of 10 since then.

[gerald]

> Islam is also an Ideology/legal-system as well as a religion. So
> it can also also be compared to Communism, Fascism, Democracy,
> etc. Do you know of cases where serious
> communists/fascists/democrats were loyal to their country of
> residence (but different ideology) against others of their own
> ideology? The Germans in America were not Fascist.

Catholicism at the time was also an ideology and legal system, pursued fanatically in some quarters. Naziism was also an ideology and legal system. Those are two perfectly good examples which, for whatever reason, you chose to omit from your list. As for the rest, as far as I know, Americans of all ideologies overwhelmingly sided with America during World War II.

I was just lumping Naziism and Fascism together and did not mean to slight Naziism (also I had an etc. there). These were the main ideologies that the US was fighting against in WW2. Were there any concentrations of Nazis or Fascist in America during WW2?

Some interesting background information regarding the Nazi Bund in the US, before the US entered the war.

http://www.americainwwii.com/stories/am ... itler.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEb6L7JdV1A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEly8nXA6Oo&NR=1

[vincecate]

Some interesting background information regarding the Nazi Bund in the US, before the US entered the war.

http://www.americainwwii.com/stories/am ... itler.html

Indeed. Very interesting. I am sometimes amazed that my high school history teachers were able to make history boring.

"... press coverage of the Bund tapered off as the group declined and public fear of domestic Nazism waned. Hundreds of dispirited Bund members returned to Germany."

"When Hitler declared war against the United States four days after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, Bund members found themselves stranded in enemy territory. Federal agents seized Bund records. Many of its members faced denaturalization proceedings and imprisonment. "
[...]
"German Americans continued to emphasize their American-ism after the Pearl Harbor raid. “We appeal to the public not to think that everything German must be Nazi,” declared the Wisconsin Federation of German-American Societies."
[...]
"The emphasis on Americanism paid off, and a revival of anti-German hysteria did not occur."
[...]
"Most Americans seemed to make a distinction between what they believed were good Germans and bad Germans, and America became a refuge for many German intellectuals fleeing Nazi rule."
[...]
"For all its prominence and bluster, the Bund involved only a small portion of the German-American community. "

I am glad to see that America was able to realize that the enemy was those with the Nazi ideology and not simply German ancestry. Interesting stuff.

As for John's comment, "As for the rest, as far as I know, Americans of all ideologies overwhelmingly sided with America during World War II." it does not seem like Nazis in America "overwhelmingly sided with America during World War II". Many went to Germany (willingly or otherwise) or were locked up. The title of this very good article at the URL and quoted from above is, "Americans for Hitler".

Update: Here is the same article as a PDF with a few pictures.
http://www.6thcorpscombatengineers.com/ ... Hitler.pdf