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John wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:07 am

One interesting new development is that thousands of displaced people
who left their homes and fled to camps near the border with Turkey are
now returning to their former homes. They feel that their former
homes are safer than a crowded refugee camp where a Covid-19 would
spread quickly.
That is interesting.

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John wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:15 pm
** 15-Apr-2020 World View: 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic may have originated in China

A web site reader has called my attention to an article appearing in
National Geographic in 2014. The article points to a detailed
historical analysis with evidence that the 1918-19 Spanish Flu
pandemic actually originated in China:
> "1918 Flu Pandemic That Killed 50 Million
> Originated in China, Historians Say


> For decades, scientists have debated where in the world the
> pandemic started, variously pinpointing its origins in France,
> China, the American Midwest, and beyond. Without a clear location,
> scientists have lacked a complete picture of the conditions that
> bred the disease and factors that might lead to similar outbreaks
> in the future.

> The deadly "Spanish flu" claimed more lives than World War I,
> which ended the same year the pandemic struck. Now, new research
> is placing the flu's emergence in a forgotten episode of World War
> I: the shipment of Chinese laborers across Canada in sealed train
> cars.

> Historian Mark Humphries of Canada's Memorial University of
> Newfoundland says that newly unearthed records confirm that one of
> the side stories of the war—the mobilization of 96,000 Chinese
> laborers to work behind the British and French lines on World War
> I's Western Front—may have been the source of the pandemic. ...

> "This is about as close to a smoking gun as a historian is going
> to get," says historian James Higgins, who lectures at Lehigh
> University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and who has researched the
> 1918 spread of the pandemic in the United States. "These records
> answer a lot of questions about the pandemic."

> https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news ... ce-health/
A New York Times article by Rick Gladstone on February 10, 2020, lists
several pandemics that have been traced to China:
  • Asian flu of 1957
  • Hong Kong flu of 1968
  • 1997 Bird Flu outbreak
  • 2003 Sars epidemic
  • Covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/worl ... virus.html

So the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic would be in addition to those five.
Here is a video that covers the possible Chinese source of the 1918 Flu. Start from 2:40. My son asked me about this pandemic. I told him about the 1918 flu and found this video for him to watch. I was watching it with him and that is the first time I had heard about a possible China origin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo&t=325s

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** 15-Apr-2020 World View: Spanish flu video
ScratInTheHat wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:28 pm
> Here is a video that covers the possible Chinese source of the
> 1918 Flu. Start from 2:40. My son asked me about this pandemic. I
> told him about the 1918 flu and found this video for him to
> watch. I was watching it with him and that is the first time I had
> heard about a possible China origin.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo&t=325s
Here is a slight modification to the URL you've provided so that
it starts playing at 2:40, which is what you want:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ9WX4qVxEo&t=160s

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https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/did-xi- ... the-world/

Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World? PRC moral turpitude forces us to consider the unthinkable.

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Guest wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:03 am
https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/did-xi- ... the-world/

Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World? PRC moral turpitude forces us to consider the unthinkable.
Time to break relations with Beijing and recognize Taiwan.

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** 16-Apr-2020 World View: Continuing the lockdown

Earlier today, New York, Los Angeles and Washington DC all extended
their stay-at-home lockdown orders until at least May 15.

Donald Trump, who has said "the cure can't be worse than the disease,"
is pushing very hard to end the lockdown on May 1.

This seems completely unrealistic, and even May 15 seems unrealistic.
But perhaps certain kinds of businesses might begin to open in early
May. Grocery stores and drug stores are already allowed to stay open.
How about furniture stores?

The UK also extended its stay-at-home lockdown orders today, without
giving an end date. They announced several conditions that must be
met before the lockdowns can end:
  • NHS must be able to cope without being overwhelmed.
  • Sustained and continuing fall in death rates
  • Sustained and continuing fall in rate of infection
  • Testing needs to be ready and there has to be enough PPE for
    everyone
  • Be sure that there's no risk of a secondary wave that would
    overwhelm the NHS.
The UK minister said that if you rush now to end the lockdowns too
early, then there will be a second wave of infections that would be
much worse, and would require even longer lockdowns.

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The question is: how much longer are people going to put up with all this? Social distancing is primarily voluntary, as there's no effective way to enforce it on 330 million people if they decide not to obey. Already people in New York are venturing out again, many taking what precautions they consider necessary. If it gets to a certain point, many are going to decide: "Screw the risk, i need to earn a paycheck!" and go out regardless.

Economists are warning the lockdown will cause a death spiral if we don't reopen soon. We've already had 22 million unemployment claims in the past week, far more than in 2008. However, medical personnel are saying this lockdown needs to continue until July and even August or we're going to see another wave of infections. I just don't think it's sustainable for that length of time.

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** 16-Apr-2020 World View: China's motive
Guest wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:03 am
> https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/did-xi- ... the-world/

> Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World? PRC moral turpitude
> forces us to consider the unthinkable.
This article provides a motive for the actions by China and the
WHO to hide the severity of the Covid-19 epidemic: So that other
countries would be infected.

Unfortunately, this is quite plausible.

If the CCP had been honest from the beginning, then the epidemic would
have spread in China, but the rest of the world would have been
spared. This scenario must have been horrific and unthinkable to the
CCP thugs.

By lying about the virus, and by getting the WHO to vouch for their
lies, the CCP thugs made sure that other countries would be infected
as much as China was.

Donald Trump may have alluded to this possibility in his press
briefing on Wednesday. I can't remember the exact words he used, but
it was something like this: "China and WHO made a big mistake, not
being transparent. They didn't know that it would spread to a major
pandemic. At least we hope they didn't know. If they did know, then
it was [pause] a much greater offense."

The administration is conducting a detailed investigation about what
happened in Wuhan. According to semi-confirmed leaks, the Chinese
scientists were studying the virus in Wuhan, one of the girls working
in the lab became infected. She passed it on to her fiancé, and he
works in the "wet market" where the virus spread into an epidemic.

If the investigation finds that the CCP and WHO had a motive of
infecting the rest of the world, so that China wouldn't be the only
infected nation, this would be extremely significant, and would
infuriate a lot of nations towards China. It could very well be the
spark that leads to war.

There is no limit to the stupidity of the CCP thugs. The CCP thugs
are a bottomless sewer of stupidity.

As I've written many times, the CCP always one incredibly stupid thing
after another. You never know what the CCP is going to do to handle a
situation, but you can be certain that whatever the CCP thugs do,
they'll only make the situation worse. That's certainly the case in
this situation.

It's just incredible to me how the do one unbelievably stupid thing
after another. I remember thinking of that with regard to Mao
Zedong's Great Leap Forward, which was so stupid that it led to the
needless deaths from starvation and execution of tens of millions of
innocent Chinese civilians. Since then, it's been one stupid thing
after another.

The wonderful Chinese people deserve something better than the
worthless garbage in the CCP, but they're obviously not going to get
it.

Will the motive proposed by the Diplomat article turn out to be true?
We'll have to wait for the investigation, but one thing we know is
that the CCP's behavior is ALWAYS worse than expected.

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John wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:31 pm
** 16-Apr-2020 World View: China's motive
Guest wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:03 am
> https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/did-xi- ... the-world/

> Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World? PRC moral turpitude
> forces us to consider the unthinkable.
This article provides a motive for the actions by China and the
WHO to hide the severity of the Covid-19 epidemic: So that other
countries would be infected.

Unfortunately, this is quite plausible.

If the CCP had been honest from the beginning, then the epidemic would
have spread in China, but the rest of the world would have been
spared. This scenario must have been horrific and unthinkable to the
CCP thugs.

By lying about the virus, and by getting the WHO to vouch for their
lies, the CCP thugs made sure that other countries would be infected
as much as China was.

Donald Trump may have alluded to this possibility in his press
briefing on Wednesday. I can't remember the exact words he used, but
it was something like this: "China and WHO made a big mistake, not
being transparent. They didn't know that it would spread to a major
pandemic. At least we hope they didn't know. If they did know, then
it was [pause] a much greater offense."

The administration is conducting a detailed investigation about what
happened in Wuhan. According to semi-confirmed leaks, the Chinese
scientists were studying the virus in Wuhan, one of the girls working
in the lab became infected. She passed it on to her fiancé, and he
works in the "wet market" where the virus spread into an epidemic.

If the investigation finds that the CCP and WHO had a motive of
infecting the rest of the world, so that China wouldn't be the only
infected nation, this would be extremely significant, and would
infuriate a lot of nations towards China. It could very well be the
spark that leads to war.

There is no limit to the stupidity of the CCP thugs. The CCP thugs
are a bottomless sewer of stupidity.

As I've written many times, the CCP always one incredibly stupid thing
after another. You never know what the CCP is going to do to handle a
situation, but you can be certain that whatever the CCP thugs do,
they'll only make the situation worse. That's certainly the case in
this situation.

It's just incredible to me how the do one unbelievably stupid thing
after another. I remember thinking of that with regard to Mao
Zedong's Great Leap Forward, which was so stupid that it led to the
needless deaths from starvation and execution of tens of millions of
innocent Chinese civilians. Since then, it's been one stupid thing
after another.

The wonderful Chinese people deserve something better than the
worthless garbage in the CCP, but they're obviously not going to get
it.

Will the motive proposed by the Diplomat article turn out to be true?
We'll have to wait for the investigation, but one thing we know is
that the CCP's behavior is ALWAYS worse than expected.
John, still want to bet!
John wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:14 pm
** 17-Mar-2020 World View: China
tim wrote: > I believe China will suffer less then the United States when all
> is said and done. Lets compare the condition of the United States
> to China in 6 months.
I'll take that bet. China's economy is an absolute disaster from
shutting down all its factories, and they're harshly censoring rural
coronavirus outbreaks. If China tries to reopen its factories, so
Chinese workers will be working together again, the outbreaks will
resurface.
“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; - Exodus 20:5

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tim wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:40 pm
> John, still want to bet!
It's still just the first inning.

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