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John, the CCP is merely exploiting the fault line created by the Mass atrocities committed by Japan during the war. A Chinese revenge war against Japan wouldn't necessary have to involve the US if we allowed the Japanese to develop their own army and their own Nukes. Allowing South Korea to do the same would immediately solve the North Korea issue. It is US policy on our end, that is a self-imposed obstacle, that prevents such developments. Trump should return to the ideas he proposed during the campaign on that issue. America should abandon the "policeman" role because it commits America to defending nations that are large enough and wealthy enough to defend themselves. It is globalists by excluding those who disagreed with the entire framework of this system, who have implemented tyranny; Not the regional power nationalists in Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, Syria, etc.

Globalists need to stop trying to control everyone. Such is Tyrannical, the CCP only seeks to perpetuate it's own power, globalists however not only deny certain aspects of human nature, but they also seek to prevent other people from acting on those impulses or even being allowed control of the people's own impulses , rather than merely making decisions for their own globalist selves. That is a far greater level of tyranny than what the CCP is doing.

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Pro-Democracy activists existed in China since the cultural revolution crashed and burned. However before the mid-1990s, when the GIs were running the country, they did not get US aid, even rhetorical aid, in fact our leaders often told the CCP leaders that we did not care one jot what happened to those activists. Then the Silents and Boomers with the head in the clouds dream of a liberal democracy in Beijing, came in and ruined the political relationship with the CCP leaders.

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John wrote:
The Truman Doctrine made America Policeman of the World.

The engine of history grinds forward inexorably, and those wars
are coming, no matter what the US does.

Just calling somebody a "globalist" doesn't make your gibberish any
less gibberishy.
A "globalist" is someone who thinks Americans or Britons have a say in what form of government Russians, Iranians or Chinese want in their own countries. These globalists refuse to accept the existence of Borders because that means that THEIR preferences could never get implemented. Do you think the CCP, The mullahs or Putin are going to accept "human rights" just because the US or Britain tells them to, no way jose. Russia, China and Iran are SOVEREIGN states they don't have to listen to what governments outside of their borders tell them. The same globalists who demand that the US interfere in other countries internal affairs paradoxically do not want Americans or Britains to have influence over the government's decisions in the US and Britain. Instead globalists implement tyranny implementing the UN, the "Truman Doctrine" and the EU without asking the citizens of our western nations for their permission first. Globalists are the ultimate hypocrites, cowardly money grubbing wretches beneath contempt.

Globalists refuse to allow the american people to make fundamental choices regarding political and governmental decisions that control what policy the US implements; because they know full well that if it came down to a unalterable choice, the citizens would Choose the Constitution and their Guns over the UN and the "Truman Doctrine". The only way the UN and "Truman doctrine" could get implemented vs "Constitution and the Guns" in a fundamental either/or, life and death choice; is if the government implements tyranny in which only the governments insiders opinions are consulted with the citizenry being left out of the decision altogether.

To make the point much simpler, lets Use an example based on WW2 hindsight. You have 100 people in an assembly however there is one problem with this assembly. Take something self-evident such as that Hitler was evil (again this is post-1945 hindsight, not how Hitler may have been perceived in say 1930 or 1935), in this example 40 of the assembly members disagree about Hitler, these 40 percent consider Hitler to have been a "good person". With that in mind, In order for the hypothetical assembly described above to be governing within the bounds of the constitution, the assembly's decision have to reflect the opinions of all 100 assembly members. It would be tyrannical for the assembly decisions to only include opinions of the 60 competent members. The decisions have to reflect everyone.

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** 08-May-2019 Merely?
CH86 wrote: > John, the CCP is merely exploiting the fault line created by the
> Mass atrocities committed by Japan during the war. A Chinese
> revenge war against Japan wouldn't necessary have to involve the
> US if we allowed the Japanese to develop their own army and their
> own Nukes. Allowing South Korea to do the same would immediately
> solve the North Korea issue.
"Merely"?

To say that a Chinese invasion of Japan and Taiwan,
with China attacking trillions of dollars of commercial
traffic in the South China Sea, would not involve the US,
Australia, New Zealand, Britain, France, Germany, etc.,
is delusional on steroids.

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John wrote:** 08-May-2019 Merely?
CH86 wrote: > John, the CCP is merely exploiting the fault line created by the
> Mass atrocities committed by Japan during the war. A Chinese
> revenge war against Japan wouldn't necessary have to involve the
> US if we allowed the Japanese to develop their own army and their
> own Nukes. Allowing South Korea to do the same would immediately
> solve the North Korea issue.
"Merely"?

To say that a Chinese invasion of Japan and Taiwan,
with China attacking trillions of dollars of commercial
traffic in the South China Sea, would not involve the US,
Australia, New Zealand, Britain, France, Germany, etc.,
is delusional on steroids.
Under the Current Disarmament regime Yes, But not if Japan and South Korea had nuclear arsenals and Genuine militaries of their own. If China attacked a nuclear armed and militarized Japan that would simply be a China/Japan war. A world where China conquered taiwan but was defeated by Japan at sea with South Korea having defeated and disestablished NK either alliance with Japan or by cutting a deal with China. Such a geopolitical regime would be FAR more stable than the current one.

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From the South China Morning Post (A Hong Kong News org)
But national pride, and a Communist Party ideology grounded in resisting unequal treaties in the name of free trade, mean that such shifts could never be seen to be done under duress.
This is an example of how this event is more serious than normal. Diplomacy always involves allowing one side an "out", and saving face is of paramount importance in Asian culture. One singular genius I've observed from Trump is he avoids badmouthing people he's negotiating with when the stakes are really high, such as with Kim Jong Un, Putin, and Xi Jinping. Instead he prefers to pay them compliments. This is in stark contrast with other nations where the stakes are low (Trudeau, etc).

However in this case, Trump has called them out in public for reneging on a previous deal. This does not give them an out. And now brinkmanship is in play. This situation requires more attention than the typical nonsense seen in Washington.

http://www.scmp.com/business/china-busi ... ons-expose

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China has never played by the rules. Time to smash them.

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** 09-May-2019 China's sinister strategy in US-Trade talks

The SCMP article that you quoted is interesting on multiple levels,
because it suggests a Chinese strateby that's even more sinister than
I've been assuming.
> From the South China Morning Post (A Hong Kong News org)

> But national pride, and a Communist Party ideology grounded in
> resisting unequal treaties in the name of free trade, mean that
> such shifts could never be seen to be done under
> duress.
Burner Prime wrote: > This is an example of how this event is more serious than
> normal. Diplomacy always involves allowing one side an "out", and
> saving face is of paramount importance in Asian culture. One
> singular genius I've observed from Trump is he avoids badmouthing
> people he's negotiating with when the stakes are really high, such
> as with Kim Jong Un, Putin, and Xi Jinping. Instead he prefers to
> pay them compliments. This is in stark contrast with other nations
> where the stakes are low (Trudeau, etc).

> However in this case, Trump has called them out in public for
> reneging on a previous deal. This does not give them an out. And
> now brinkmanship is in play. This situation requires more
> attention than the typical nonsense seen in Washington.

> http://www.scmp.com/business/china-busi ... ons-expose
The scenario that analysts had been describing recently was that
the Chinese negotiators had been too anxious to make a deal, and
so had made too many concessions, and Xi Jinping had to pull back
on them.

The new interpretation of events is far more sinister: The Chinese
strategy was to make concessions that would never be implemented in
order to get Trump to agree to a deal, and then pull back on the
concessions at the last moment, when Trump would be politically forced
to accept the weak deal -- and remove the tariffs with China having to
make no real concessions on trade at all.

The reason that this strategy is so credible is that North Korea used
exactly the same strategy at the Hanoi summit. Kim Jong-un had hoped
to politically force Trump to agree to remove sanctions with North
Korea having to make no real concessions on denuclearization at all.

It's scary how similar these two strategies are. In both cases, they
seemed to believe that Trump would be forced to back down, and then
they would once again have defrauded the United States in a
negotiation, as both countries had done so many times in the past.

In both cases, Trump has shown himself willing to be the "bad guy,"
and walk away, rather than accept a bad deal. However, what's
different this time is that Trump has the (usually tacit) support
of the international community in the West. Nobody in the West
wants North Korea to have nuclear missiles, and almost every
country in the West has had their trade secrets and intellectual
property stolen by the Chinese.

There's another interesting angle to the SCMP article.

Hong Kong was a British colony from the 1850s to 1997. Starting
in the 1930s with the Sino-Japanese war, China used Hong Kong
as a communications channel with the outside world, to beg
for money and other resources to fight the war. Hong Kong
was the civilized face of China.

The SCMP article suggests that Hong Kong is still being used as the
civilized face of China. The article goes on at length to say that
Beijing is already making changes in IP and trade law, and the article
suggests that there's no real difference between Beijing's and
Washington's positions, except communications difficulties, and that
it should be easy to reach agreement.

But the article contradicts that point when it also says that the
"expansive demands from Washington's trade hawks" are delusional.

Once again, this is the same as the North Korea strategy -- blame
disagreements on John Bolton, in the hope of forcing Trump to
compromise.

And the news this morning is that North Korea has launched two more
"short range projectiles," apparently believing that doing so might
embarass Trump into concessions, a belief that's profoundly
delusional.

There's lots of interesting stuff going on here, but both sides are
playing hardball, and it seems very likely that the harsh new tariffs
will be implemented tomorrow, with whatever consequences they bring.

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Could somebody with a Wall Street Journal subscription post the text
of the article referenced by the SCMP? Thanks.

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John wrote:Could somebody with a Wall Street Journal subscription post the text
of the article referenced by the SCMP? Thanks.
I don't have a WSJ subscription, but FYI, I do have a paid subscription to The Daily Telegraph, if you ever need me to post an article from it.

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