10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan

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10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan

Postby John » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:49 am

10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan


Analyzing the generational history of an insular Japan

** 10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e181210.htm#e181210




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Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan
Analyzing the generational history of an insular Japan


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Generational Dynamics, Japan, Warring States Period,
Tokugawa Era, Commodore Matthew Perry, Meiji Era,
Imperial Era, Sino-Japanese War, Russo-Japanese War

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Re: 10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan

Postby Tom Mazanec » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 pm

Wars, even crisis wars, rarely reduce population. The only two significant ones I can think of were the Thirty Years War and the War of the Triple Alliance. Even World War Two killed 50 million people at a time when the world population was about 2,500 million people...ie about 2%. The population actually grew over the six year period, just a little slower. So if war is the solution to overpopulation, it is doing a piss poor job so far.
SHARKS (crossed out) MONGEESE (sic) WITH FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS

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Postby Silent Guest 1 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:47 pm

Migration is a world problem today. Imports paid for by the head in the EU are bad enough. Europe is trashed and the peasants are rebelling as well they should. If the Japanese care to take in migrants despite evidence of the cost, both economic and especially social, go right ahead. Do not come crawling for help when problems arise--and they will.
American taxpayers without our permission are paying for our own demise. Values are seriously skewed.

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Postby zzazz » Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:22 pm

"But in the Tokugawa period, there's apparently no obvious way. There must have been wars, because the population growth would have exceeded the demand for food, land, water and other resources, but how these wars manifested themselves is little understood in the West. This is an area that requires additional research."

Ideology over truth? You betchum

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Re: 10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan

Postby Guest » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:25 pm

South Korea has a similar work program for Southeast Asians. And yes, five years is the maximum a third world migrant can stay in the country. Many do stay and work illegally, but most are sent home. South Koreans are not sympathetic to 3rd world migrants. They look at Indians and Bangladeshis as troublemakers and criminals.

Some of them manage to marry Koreans and get residency, but they are part of the permanent underclass. Not a good place to be anywhere, especially in status conscious South Korea. And the biracial children they have are condemned to be day laborers and prostitutes.

The migrants who do manage to stay through marriage, are facing an increasing backlash. Indians and Bangladeshis are loud, dirty, and vulgar. Koreans and Japanese value quiet, cleanliness, and calmness. That's something 3rd world migrants are incapable of. I know well of what I speak. I don't care if you call me a racist. America is an immigration toilet, so Is the UK. Asians don't want to end up the same.

Asians have a much different view of what makes someone 'biracial'. In America, a half Japanese, half Korean child is not biracial; they are 'Asian'. In Korea and Japan, they are biracial, mixed race, 'a hybrid'. South Korea bans biracial children from joining the military, even though they are citizens and Korean has mandatory military service. Why? Because a mixed race soldier would be hazed to death.

I doubt this means Japan will become a multicultural society. The Japanese have a ruthless component to their character that will not allow it to happen. Japan is planning for AI and robots to help them, not migrants.

This new law doesn't really mean that much. There is already a backlash in Korea, Japan, and other wealthy Asian countries. It will only get stronger.

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Re: 10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan

Postby Guest » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:42 pm

Thais, Vietnamese, Cambodians are also looked down on, but not as much as Indians. Most of the migrants from these countries are women, and they usually don't cause too many problems. Drug abuse seems to be rampant among them, which is something Koreans don't want.

A lot of Korean men marry Southeast Asian women, but the marriages are usually disasters. The men are much older, badly educated, and poor. The women they marry and poor and uneducated. Their children are hopelessly unequipped to survive in Korea's competitive society. The Korean men who marry these women are at the bottom of society, and they usually beat their wives and children. The Korean government has programs for 'multicultural families', but Korean society rejects them. Mixed race children are badly mistreated in school, and most drop out before graduating high school. If the fathers are Americans, they can move to America and have a normal life. However, for most of these children, the future is bleak.

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Re: 10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan

Postby FishbellykanakaDude » Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:06 pm

Obviously, Japan needs to highly incentivize Japanese marrying Japanese and producing copious quantities of Japanese offspring.

That, actually, is what every nation (not necessarily "country") should do.

Nations within countries should also do this.

Nations within countries who don't do this are suicidal.

The "overpopulation" meme is long dead. It was never actually accurate (true), but that's another issue.

Those who choose "comfortable suicide" will get what they want.

Who do you suppose I'm talking about?

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Re: 10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan

Postby John » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:12 am

Tom Mazanec wrote:> Wars, even crisis wars, rarely reduce population. The only two
> significant ones I can think of were the Thirty Years War and the
> War of the Triple Alliance. Even World War Two killed 50 million
> people at a time when the world population was about 2,500 million
> people...ie about 2%. The population actually grew over the six
> year period, just a little slower. So if war is the solution to
> overpopulation, it is doing a piss poor job so far.



It's probably more complicated than war deaths.

People may decide not to have kids as war approaches (and then
there's a baby boom afterwards).

A more complicated factor might be what happens to the refugees. If
you have millions of people spread out in villages and farms, and they
all flee to the cities to escape violence, then a lot of farmland
becomes available.

There's also genocide and ethnic cleansing. Syria and Burma
are conduction genocide and ethnic cleansing, and lots of land
becomes available, while the people who used to live there
are in refugee camps where they're lucky to get one meal per day.

Once again, more research is needed.

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Re: 10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan

Postby Guest » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:46 am

FishbellykanakaDude wrote:Obviously, Japan needs to highly incentivize Japanese marrying Japanese and producing copious quantities of Japanese offspring.

That, actually, is what every nation (not necessarily "country") should do.

Nations within countries should also do this.

Nations within countries who don't do this are suicidal.

The "overpopulation" meme is long dead. It was never actually accurate (true), but that's another issue.

Those who choose "comfortable suicide" will get what they want.

Who do you suppose I'm talking about?


Liberals?

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Re: 10-Dec-18 World View -- Japan invites hundreds of thousands of foreigners to work in Japan

Postby Tom Mazanec » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:13 pm

A more complicated factor might be what happens to the refugees. If
you have millions of people spread out in villages and farms, and they
all flee to the cities to escape violence, then a lot of farmland
becomes available.

Just because someone is in a city and not farmland, you still have to feed them. A country has N square miles of land no matter how the people are distributed on it.
SHARKS (crossed out) MONGEESE (sic) WITH FRICKIN' LASER BEAMS ATTACHED TO THEIR HEADS


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