18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins election

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18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins election

Postby John » Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:08 am

18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins election


Jair Bolsonaro moves Brazil sharply to the right

** 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins election
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Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins election
Jair Bolsonaro moves Brazil sharply to the right


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Generational Dynamics, Cuba, Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro,
Programa Mais Médicos, PMM, More Doctors Program,
Dilma Rousseff, Quilombos, Venezuela

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Re: 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins electio

Postby Silent Guest 1 » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:30 am

Alinsky strikes again. Control of health providers is a necessity--life and death in the balance. South American socialism at work. America is rife with Indian physicians who have children here and take their babies back to India to be raised by extended family. Taking money from Americans is fine. Respecting and being part of our culture eshewed.
Doctors Without Borders is a soros infestation, involved in managed death committees.
The world sinks further into evil each day.
Should you think this an exaggeration, you are in serious denial.

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Re: 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins electio

Postby John » Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:41 am

Wow. That's a whole lot of spin that I never thought of.

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Re: 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins electio

Postby jmm1184 » Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:12 am

Jair Bolsonaro moves Brazil sharply to the right


John, have you done much research on Brazil's timeline? Do you think the election of Jari Bolsonaro indicates a crisis era?

Brazil has always been a puzzle for me to decipher generationally, in part due to its large size and also a very limited knowledge of its tribal wars.

However, the last major conflict that Brazil experienced appears to have been the Revolution of 1930, which had been preceded by roughly 20 years of violence, unrest, and discontent with the status quo. This period of violence and revolution climaxed with the short civil war of 1932. Brazil has not had any major conflicts since then: it was involved in WWII but not to the extent of the main Axis powers - WWII was a non-crisis war for Brazil, and the military dictatorship of 1964-1985 did not see much violence, either in state repression or in uprisings against it (at least compared to other countries such as Argentina and Chile).

Thus, if Brazil's last crisis war was the "revolutionary period" of 1912-1932, then that would place Brazil deep into a crisis era. What's interesting about this is that there are a number of other nations that are deep in crisis eras in South America. Paraguay and Bolivia share a crisis war in the War of the Chaco (1932-1935), so they are both deep in crisis eras. Meanwhile, Colombia and Venezuela are both in crisis eras, and I would expect Venezuela to degenerate into civil war or spark a intra-state war soon due to the deteriorating situation there.

However, I could be wrong - thoughts?

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Re: 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins electio

Postby John » Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:18 pm

jmm1184 wrote:> John, have you done much research on Brazil's timeline? Do you
> think the election of Jari Bolsonaro indicates a crisis era?

> Brazil has always been a puzzle for me to decipher generationally,
> in part due to its large size and also a very limited knowledge of
> its tribal wars.

> However, the last major conflict that Brazil experienced appears
> to have been the Revolution of 1930, which had been preceded by
> roughly 20 years of violence, unrest, and discontent with the
> status quo. This period of violence and revolution climaxed with
> the short civil war of 1932. Brazil has not had any major
> conflicts since then: it was involved in WWII but not to the
> extent of the main Axis powers - WWII was a non-crisis war for
> Brazil, and the military dictatorship of 1964-1985 did not see
> much violence, either in state repression or in uprisings against
> it (at least compared to other countries such as Argentina and
> Chile).

> Thus, if Brazil's last crisis war was the "revolutionary period"
> of 1912-1932, then that would place Brazil deep into a crisis
> era. What's interesting about this is that there are a number of
> other nations that are deep in crisis eras in South
> America. Paraguay and Bolivia share a crisis war in the War of the
> Chaco (1932-1935), so they are both deep in crisis
> eras. Meanwhile, Colombia and Venezuela are both in crisis eras,
> and I would expect Venezuela to degenerate into civil war or spark
> a intra-state war soon due to the deteriorating situation there.

> However, I could be wrong - thoughts?




I haven't studied Brazil's history much.

Matt Ignal gave the following:

Brazil -- Brazilian War of Independence -- 1821-1825
Brazil -- Establishment of Old Republic -- 1889-1898
Brazil -- Military Takeover -- 1964-1974

Nathan G gave the following:
viewtopic.php?f=10&p=29331#p29331

Brazil:
Brazilian Independence, 1821-1825
Collapse of the Brazilian Empire, 1889-1898
Brazilian Junta, 1964-1974

--

On a completely separate subject, did you ever get Japan's timeline
straightened for the period between the Battle of Sekigahara (1600)
and the Meiji Restoration (1868)?

I recently came across a somewhat amazing
book written by Bertrand Russell called "The Problem of China,"
written in 1922.

http://www.freeclassicebooks.com/Bertra ... 0China.pdf

I've always been interested in Bertrand Russell as a mathematician.
He was the person who "discovered" the Russell Paradox (is the set of
all sets that are not members of themselves a member of itself?) that
was the basis of Mathematical Logic in the 20th century, which is what
I studied when I was at MIT.

What's interesting about this book is that it goes into all
the details of China and Japan, as seen in 1922. This includes
the history of Japan prior to the Meiji Restoration, though
it doesn't provide any help with the timeline.

Russell provides a list of "white men's sins" -- they're racist,
they're selfish, they're wicked, and they're greedy -- according to
the Japanese, which he said he agrees with. (At that time, Russell
was pro-Communist, though he later changed his views.)

He goes on to say that even though the Japanese viewed "white men" as
having these flaws, they reacted to them not by rejecting these flaws
but by imitating them "as closely as possible," being especially
vicious toward the Chinese. These views are quite prescient in
understanding how this led to World War II.

From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, these kinds of
analyses are extremely valuable, since they show what people where
thinking and doing around the time that actual events occurred,
without being polluted by later ideologies and biases.

Anyway, it's a great book, well worth a read.

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Re: 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins electio

Postby FishbellykanakaDude » Tue Nov 20, 2018 4:40 pm

John wrote:
jmm1184 wrote:> John, have you done much research on Brazil's timeline? Do you
> think the election of Jari Bolsonaro indicates a crisis era?

> Brazil has always been a puzzle for me to decipher generationally,
> in part due to its large size and also a very limited knowledge of
> its tribal wars.

> However, the last major conflict that Brazil experienced appears
> to have been the Revolution of 1930, which had been preceded by
> roughly 20 years of violence, unrest, and discontent with the
> status quo. This period of violence and revolution climaxed with
> the short civil war of 1932. Brazil has not had any major
> conflicts since then: it was involved in WWII but not to the
> extent of the main Axis powers - WWII was a non-crisis war for
> Brazil, and the military dictatorship of 1964-1985 did not see
> much violence, either in state repression or in uprisings against
> it (at least compared to other countries such as Argentina and
> Chile).

> Thus, if Brazil's last crisis war was the "revolutionary period"
> of 1912-1932, then that would place Brazil deep into a crisis
> era. What's interesting about this is that there are a number of
> other nations that are deep in crisis eras in South
> America. Paraguay and Bolivia share a crisis war in the War of the
> Chaco (1932-1935), so they are both deep in crisis
> eras. Meanwhile, Colombia and Venezuela are both in crisis eras,
> and I would expect Venezuela to degenerate into civil war or spark
> a intra-state war soon due to the deteriorating situation there.

> However, I could be wrong - thoughts?




I haven't studied Brazil's history much.

Matt Ignal gave the following:

Brazil -- Brazilian War of Independence -- 1821-1825
Brazil -- Establishment of Old Republic -- 1889-1898
Brazil -- Military Takeover -- 1964-1974

Nathan G gave the following:
viewtopic.php?f=10&p=29331#p29331

Brazil:
Brazilian Independence, 1821-1825
Collapse of the Brazilian Empire, 1889-1898
Brazilian Junta, 1964-1974

--

On a completely separate subject, did you ever get Japan's timeline
straightened for the period between the Battle of Sekigahara (1600)
and the Meiji Restoration (1868)?

I recently came across a somewhat amazing
book written by Bertrand Russell called "The Problem of China,"
written in 1922.

http://www.freeclassicebooks.com/Bertra ... 0China.pdf

I've always been interested in Bertrand Russell as a mathematician.
He was the person who "discovered" the Russell Paradox (is the set of
all sets that are not members of themselves a member of itself?) that
was the basis of Mathematical Logic in the 20th century, which is what
I studied when I was at MIT.

What's interesting about this book is that it goes into all
the details of China and Japan, as seen in 1922. This includes
the history of Japan prior to the Meiji Restoration, though
it doesn't provide any help with the timeline.

Russell provides a list of "white men's sins" -- they're racist,
they're selfish, they're wicked, and they're greedy -- according to
the Japanese, which he said he agrees with. (At that time, Russell
was pro-Communist, though he later changed his views.)

He goes on to say that even though the Japanese viewed "white men" as
having these flaws, they reacted to them not by rejecting these flaws
but by imitating them "as closely as possible," being especially
vicious toward the Chinese. These views are quite prescient in
understanding how this led to World War II.

From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, these kinds of
analyses are extremely valuable, since they show what people where
thinking and doing around the time that actual events occurred,
without being polluted by later ideologies and biases.

Anyway, it's a great book, well worth a read.


So, are you a ZFC proponent then? :)

That non-"type based" (non-thing-ness attributary[!?] system, aka "overly abstracted") thinking, and the conundrum of "asymptotic infinity", and infinity itself, are what convinced me that reality has no actual infinities, or other "contradictions" within it.

Infinities are the universe's way of saying, "You're missing something here, aren't you!?" ..followed by "us" scrambling to somehow "cancel out" the aforesaid infinity by looking a bit closer at the problem. ("Crank up the synchrotron, lads and lasses! MORE POWAH...!!!")

Generational Dynamics is a "method" of getting at the reality of the negentropic "population growth" versus resources easily-available (Malthusian) problem. The impossibility of having enough resources breaks the "status quo" and forces a new very unstable phase, that is eventually (usually very quickly) passed though into a more stable "normal" regime that resembled the pre-unstable regime.

Reality doesn't do asymptotes or infinities. Only wishful thinking, and/or bad memory, and/or fatigue at looking deeper into reality, allows people to be lazy and not see oncoming "catastrophes" that can be "planned for" so as to "skirt around them" in more productive ways than genocidal (and pre-genocidal) warfare.

..thus the urge to be lazy and kick the can down the road. Maybe one day a good "convincing" can be done on humanity as a whole to avoid this cyclic goofiness. Not THIS time around, of course, but eventually, please?

Klaatu and Gort,.. where ARE you!?

(( All negentropic "things" in the universe participate in their own GD cycles, as is appropriate as that is the engine of evolution, but at the " sufficiently sapient" planetary apex lifeform level, there comes a time to do what is necessary to "skirt" the crappy consequences of their cycle, and get better at this "life is for beauty" thing that we are meant for. ))

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Re: 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins electio

Postby John » Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:26 pm

I vote in favor of both the axiom of choice and the generalized
continuum hypothesis, and anyone who says otherwise or who says that
reality has no infinities is a communist and an enemy of the people.

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Re: 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins electio

Postby CH86 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:12 am

John wrote:
What's interesting about this book is that it goes into all
the details of China and Japan, as seen in 1922. This includes
the history of Japan prior to the Meiji Restoration, though
it doesn't provide any help with the timeline.

Russell provides a list of "white men's sins" -- they're racist,
they're selfish, they're wicked, and they're greedy -- according to
the Japanese, which he said he agrees with. (At that time, Russell
was pro-Communist, though he later changed his views.)

He goes on to say that even though the Japanese viewed "white men" as
having these flaws, they reacted to them not by rejecting these flaws
but by imitating them "as closely as possible," being especially
vicious toward the Chinese. These views are quite prescient in
understanding how this led to World War II.


This Post is John's ideological nonsense talking. Imperial Japan was a very anti-communist state. The Militarists HATED the commies. Google the "three alls campaign". The Chiang Kai-shek lobby in washington was the direct precursor of today's globalists like Hillary Clinton and Mike Pence.

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Re: 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins electio

Postby John » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:20 am

John wrote:> What's interesting about this book is that it goes into all the
> details of China and Japan, as seen in 1922. This includes the
> history of Japan prior to the Meiji Restoration, though it doesn't
> provide any help with the timeline.

> Russell provides a list of "white men's sins" -- they're racist,
> they're selfish, they're wicked, and they're greedy -- according
> to the Japanese, which he said he agrees with. (At that time,
> Russell was pro-Communist, though he later changed his views.)

> He goes on to say that even though the Japanese viewed "white men"
> as having these flaws, they reacted to them not by rejecting these
> flaws but by imitating them "as closely as possible," being
> especially vicious toward the Chinese. These views are quite
> prescient in understanding how this led to World War II.


CH86 wrote:> This Post is John's ideological nonsense talking. Imperial Japan
> was a very anti-communist state. The Militarists HATED the
> commies. Google the "three alls campaign". The Chiang Kai-shek
> lobby was the direct precursor of today's globalists like Hillary
> Clinton and Mike Pence.



Bertrand Russell was pro-communist. Japan was never pro-communist.

Also, you've completely confused Japan with China. Chiang Kai-shek
was Chinese, not Japanese.

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Re: 18-Nov-18 World View -- Cuba to pull thousands of doctors out of Brazil after right-wing Jair Bolsonaro wins electio

Postby CH86 » Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:32 am

John wrote:
John wrote:> What's interesting about this book is that it goes into all the
> details of China and Japan, as seen in 1922. This includes the
> history of Japan prior to the Meiji Restoration, though it doesn't
> provide any help with the timeline.

> Russell provides a list of "white men's sins" -- they're racist,
> they're selfish, they're wicked, and they're greedy -- according
> to the Japanese, which he said he agrees with. (At that time,
> Russell was pro-Communist, though he later changed his views.)

> He goes on to say that even though the Japanese viewed "white men"
> as having these flaws, they reacted to them not by rejecting these
> flaws but by imitating them "as closely as possible," being
> especially vicious toward the Chinese. These views are quite
> prescient in understanding how this led to World War II.


CH86 wrote:> This Post is John's ideological nonsense talking. Imperial Japan
> was a very anti-communist state. The Militarists HATED the
> commies. Google the "three alls campaign". The Chiang Kai-shek
> lobby was the direct precursor of today's globalists like Hillary
> Clinton and Mike Pence.



Bertrand Russell was pro-communist. Japan was never pro-communist.

Also, you've completely confused Japan with China. Chiang Kai-shek
was Chinese, not Japanese.


You implied that Imperial Japan was pro-communist and Pro-soviet and that Russel who was pro-Japanese for a time was such because he was pro-communist and supporting Japan was the communist thing to do. Such an interpretation is contrary to the historical record because the Japanese Militarists were very anti-communist. It was only after 1939-1940 after Japan was defeated by Russia at Khalkin-Gol and the US began to cut off Japan's oil supplies that Japanese decision makers considered a war with the US. The Chiang Kai-shek lobby in Washington advocated entering the war in China between 1937 and December 1941, they also supported Mao's army as well but they generally hoped for some kind of christian-democratic China to be established after the completion of WW2. Their influence first wrecked relations with Japan and then after we were in the war they implemented incompetent strategies. Their ideals are the direct precursors of the current crop of globalists who want to democratize both Russia and China.


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