30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

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30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Postby John » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:14 pm

30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Former Balkan diplomats say that land swap proposal ignores 1,000 years of bloodshed

** 30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war
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Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war
Former Balkan diplomats say that land swap proposal ignores 1,000 years of bloodshed


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Generational Dynamics, Yugoslavia, Balkans, Serbia, Kosovo,
Aleksandar Vucic, Hashim Thaci, Bujanovac, Presevo,
Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro,
Carl Bildt, Paddy Ashdown, Christian Schwarz-Schilling

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Re: 30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Postby Guest » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:57 pm

Do you think war will break out soon in the Balkans? Would conflict confirm GD or prove to be an exception?

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Re: 30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Postby Silent Guest 2 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:38 am

How very clear that the NWO globalists live in what would musically be an off key mental stratosphere. :roll:
These are countries we fought to liberate in the 1940's. American cemeteries remain as reminders, apparently to no avail. (We have 50,000,000 examples here of why borders matter.)
What constructive results would issue from this proposal? Is anyone dealing the reality that the cultures will fight to remain separate? Should those pushing this war-generating idea imagine history can be erased, keep in mind that Israelis continue to search for Jew-murdering nazis.
Sigh.

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Re: 30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Postby Guest » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:10 am

One reason that some consider Kosovo not to be an independent country is that it has no military forces of its own and it is occupied by foreign military forces. In this way it is similar to Bosnia-Herzegovina. These two factors (having no military and being occupied by foreign military) usually mean that a country is at best a puppet state.

As far as I am aware, NATO itself has so far issued no official statement on whether Kosovo is independent. If NATO has, can someone please refer me to it?

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Re: 30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Postby CH86 » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:40 pm

The Current status of Both Bosnia and Kosovo is fundamentally artificial. It is imposed by selfish boomers imposing an unwanted peace on the combatants instead of letting the wars there play themselves out naturally. This is especially true if you factor in other combatants such as the Croats and Macedonians, in addition to the Serbs and the Muslims. This does not mean that the Serbs would have dominated, in fact they were on the verge of being completely defeated, but instead of a greater Croatia being created in the end, the Balkans instead got enclave federalism imposed on them by "blue helmets" instead of actual victory or actual defeat. Yet another example of selfish boomers ruining something due to their so-called "big hearts".

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Re: 30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Postby Guest » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:58 pm

Guest wrote:One reason that some consider Kosovo not to be an independent country is that it has no military forces of its own and it is occupied by foreign military forces. In this way it is similar to Bosnia-Herzegovina. These two factors (having no military and being occupied by foreign military) usually mean that a country is at best a puppet state.

As far as I am aware, NATO itself has so far issued no official statement on whether Kosovo is independent. If NATO has, can someone please refer me to it?


It's not NATOs place to say what countries are independent. That is left up to national governments. NATO fought to free Kosova from Serbian domination. It was never its mission to determine its political status.

The nations who do not recognize Kosova do that to deter independence movements in their own territory: China (Tibet), Spain (Barcelona), Azerbjian (Norgo-Karbahk), Russia (Chechnya--though hypocritically supporting break away regions that are allied to Moscow, i.e. Transnistria , Abkhazia, and South Ossetia), Greece (Turkish Cyprus), and Israel (Palestine). The rest of the world recognizes it. Russia and China block its admission to the UN.

Kosova is NOT permitted by the EU and NATO to have a standing army. It's a bizarre situation for a nation that borders potential invaders like Serbia, Montenegro, and Macedonia.

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Re: 30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Postby Guest » Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:02 pm

CH86 wrote:The Current status of Both Bosnia and Kosovo is fundamentally artificial. It is imposed by selfish boomers imposing an unwanted peace on the combatants instead of letting the wars there play themselves out naturally. This is especially true if you factor in other combatants such as the Croats and Macedonians, in addition to the Serbs and the Muslims. This does not mean that the Serbs would have dominated, in fact they were on the verge of being completely defeated, but instead of a greater Croatia being created in the end, the Balkans instead got enclave federalism imposed on them by "blue helmets" instead of actual victory or actual defeat. Yet another example of selfish boomers ruining something due to their so-called "big hearts".


This I agree with. The Serbs were on the verge of total defeat and were planning to defend Belgrade (in Serbia) from advancing Bosnian and Croat soldiers. The Dayton Peace Accords are a shameful peace. The Muslims were sold out completely.

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Re: 30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Postby Guest » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:00 pm

Guest wrote:It's not NATOs place to say what countries are independent. That is left up to national governments. NATO fought to free Kosova from Serbian domination. It was never its mission to determine its political status.

Of course. John said that Kosovo's independence was recognized by NATO and the EU, but I don't think that is accurate. NATO's official statements (that I have read) have been very carefully worded not to address the issue.

Guest wrote:The nations who do not recognize Kosova do that to deter independence movements in their own territory: China (Tibet), Spain (Barcelona), Azerbjian (Norgo-Karbahk), Russia (Chechnya--though hypocritically supporting break away regions that are allied to Moscow, i.e. Transnistria , Abkhazia, and South Ossetia), Greece (Turkish Cyprus), and Israel (Palestine). The rest of the world recognizes it. Russia and China block its admission to the UN.

This is partially correct, bot not complete. As you point out, Putin supports break-away regions that are his allies, or rather puppet states occupied by Russian troops. But he opposes separatist when the mother state is his ally. In this case, Serbia and Russia are traditional allies. Similarly, Greeks are traditionally allied with the Serbs against the Albanians, who in turn are allied with the Turks, historic enemy of the Greeks. It really comes down to politics. The principles of law are rewritten to fit the politics every time.

Guest wrote:Kosova is NOT permitted by the EU and NATO to have a standing army. It's a bizarre situation for a nation that borders potential invaders like Serbia, Montenegro, and Macedonia.

Hence the argument that it is a puppet state.

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Re: 30-Aug-18 World View -- Diplomats fear that proposed Serbia-Kosovo peace deal will lead to Balkans war

Postby John » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:18 pm

John wrote:> Neither Serbia nor Kosovo is a member of the European Union,
> although Serbia is going through the accession process. Kosovo
> claimed its independence in 2008 and is recognized by the EU, Nato
> and the US, but five countries -- Russia, Greece, Cyprus, Serbia,
> Spain, and Azerbaijan -- consider it to be a "fake country," and
> do not recognize its independence.



> The USA, NATO, and EU agreed to recognize the independence of
> Kosovo. On February 17, 2008, Kosovo claimed its
> independence. Furthermore, Russia, Greece, Cyprus, Serbia, Spain,
> and Azerbaijan didn’t recognizethe independence of Kosovo.


https://mapuniversal.com/international- ... of-kosovo/


> NATO, U.S. slap Kosovo's move to create national
> army

> Kosovo signaled on Wednesday it would turn its security force into
> a national army, in plans opposed by its ethnic Serb minority that
> drew immediate criticism from NATO and the territory’s biggest
> foreign supporter, the United States.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-koso ... SKBN16F1GE


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