thomasglee wrote:
> John, I can tell you that I've heard this not only from Chinese
> within the mainland, but also from ethnic Chinese living in
> countries such as Malaysia and Singapore. For many ethnic Chinese
> - some of whom might be 4th generation Chinese living in the
> aforementioned countries - their loyalty lies within their Chinese
> roots MORE than it lies within their home countries.
Guest wrote:
> Well, yes and no. I have never met anyone from Taiwan personally
> that was loyal to Beijing. Most, but not all ethnic Chinese in
> Singapore I know are hostile to 'mainlanders'. They don't want to
> live under a corrupt Beijing and the unwashed hordes of Chinese
> peasants that make up mainland China. Hong Kong Chinese are now a
> minority in Hong Kong. Most of the HK Chinese now live in
> Australia or Canada. They are not pro-Chinese. Within China, many
> ethnic and linguistic minority groups hate other Chinese. Your
> view is not only simplistic, but false and misleading.
thomasglee wrote:
> Many Chinese from Malaysia and Singapore marry mainland Chinese
> women. My view is not simplistic nor false and misleading. I have
> spent many years conducting business in Malaysia, Singapore, and
> throughout Asia and I can tell you that you're wrong. I never
> said that Taiwan Chinese embrace mainlanders nor did I mention
> Hongese. I was speaking specifically to Malaysia and Singapore in
> this instance. But to reiterate, my point is that their loyalty
> lies within their Chineseness more than within their nationality.
> That's a fact that you can take to the bank. If you'd like, I can
> introduce you to several very well-heeled Singaporean and
> Malaysian Chinese who will tell you the same. They're more in
> touch with their mainland Chinese cousins than they are with their
> Bumiputra cousins.
Guest wrote:
> Then why has Beijing left Singapore out of Belt and Road? Why does
> Singapore conduct military training in Taiwan and not mainland
> China? I know their are quislings in Singapore. I also know of the
> problems the Chinese minority has in Malaysia, but to paint the
> Chinese minority as loyal to Beijing is wrong. Just because some
> well-heeled Chinese you know are loyal to Beijing means very
> little. Chinese love to fight Chinese.
> The Chinese diaspora will join the winners, be it China or
> America. The Fifth Column argument I believe works with mainlander
> immigrants in Australia, NZ, Canada, and the USA, but not so much
> with Chinese born and raised outside of China.
> Miami Cubans do not support Cuba.
This is a highly significant discussion with important
implications.
Yes, Miami Cubans to not support Cuba, but that's just one
example.
In World War II, the American government interred Japanese-American
citizens but not German-American citizens. There are probably a lot
of reasons for that, not the least of which is that there were too
many German-Americans to even think about interring. But the main
thing is that there was a great deal of mutual American-Japanese
xenophobia prior to the war, and that turned into internment
during the war.
I've written several articles in the past few months about the Chinese
diaspora in New Zealand and Australia, and how Chinese students in
other countries are being used by Beijing to implement Beijing's
policies in these countries, such as delegitimizing Taiwan, and
Western ideals and values, such as liberal democracy, Christianity, or
Falun Gong.
These Chinese students in other countries are referred to by Beijing
as "Magic Weapons."
They're controlled by China's United Front Work Department.
This is a whole mindset that foreign to Americans. Americans
have sent students abroad to study at foreign universities,
and we've had the Peace Corps:
Peace Corps wrote:
> Changing lives the world over
> The Peace Corps is a service opportunity for motivated
> changemakers to immerse themselves in a community abroad, working
> side by side with local leaders to tackle the most pressing
> challenges of our generation.
> The Peace Corps Mission
> To promote world peace and friendship by fulfilling three goals:
- To help the people of interested countries in meeting their
> need for trained men and women.
- To help promote a better understanding of Americans on the part
> of the peoples served.
- To help promote a better understanding of other peoples on the
> part of Americans.
>
https://www.peacecorps.gov/about/
Now, I've never heard of anyone describing the Peace Corps
as a "magic weapon" or any sort of weapon.
But China does not have a "Peace Corps." It has a "Magic Weapons
Corps." This is a whole different mindset.
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