25-Dec-17 World View -- Remembering the 1914 World War I Christmas Truce / The 'anti-war movement' in World War I

[Tom Mazanec]

and that China will tolerate it as long as US troops and S. Korean troops don't remain in N. Korea, or come close to the Yalu river.
You mean as long as they do remain?

[Tom Mazanec]

A Christmas Truce in World War Two:
http://www.cracked.com/article_25353_th ... -days.html

[John]

> What you can't not love about this forum is the
> consistency. "Merry Christmas don't forget WWIII could be this
> coming year...."

I would say this the other way around. It's the thousands of
mainstream media sources that are all consistent with one another.
This forum is the only one that's inconsistent with them.

> At this point I'm so interested to see what the post war era looks
> like. I wonder if the underlying anxiety goes away at that point
> or if it is just seared into the fiber of your being.

If that question really interests you, then do some research
on news, movies and literature immediately after World War II.

On a number of occasions, I've quoted what Hannah Arendt wrote in her
1950 book, <i>The Origins of Totalitarianism</i>:

> "Two world wars in one generation, separated by an uninterrupted
> chain of local wars and revolutions, followed by no peace treaty
> for the vanquished and no respite for the victor, have ended in
> the anticipation of a third World War between the two remaining
> world powers [America and the Soviet Union]. This moment of
> anticipation is like the calm that settles after all hopes have
> died. We no longer hope for an eventual restoration of the old
> world order with all its traditions, or for the reintegration of
> the masses of five continents who have been thrown into a chaos
> produced by the violence of wars and revolutions and the growing
> decay of all that has still been spared. Under the most diverse
> conditions and disparate circumstances, we watch the development
> of the same phenomena -- homelessness on an unprecedented scale,
> rootlessness to an unprecedented depth.

> Never has our future been more unpredictable, never have we
> depended so much on political forces that cannot be trusted to
> follow the rules of common sense and self-interest -- forces that
> look like sheer insanity, if judged by the standards of other
> centuries. It is as though mankind had divided itself between
> those who believe in human omnipotence (who think that everything
> is possible if one knows how to organize masses for it) and those
> for whom powerlessness has become the major experience of their
> lives."

[FishbellykanakaDude]

...
On a number of occasions, I've quoted what Hannah Arendt wrote in her
1950 book, <i>The Origins of Totalitarianism</i>:

> ................................................we watch the development
> of the same phenomena -- homelessness on an unprecedented scale,
> rootlessness to an unprecedented depth.

> .....................It is as though mankind had divided itself between
> those who believe in human omnipotence (who think that everything
> is possible if one knows how to organize masses for it) and those
> for whom powerlessness has become the major experience of their
> lives."

Utopians with ANY amount of power produce despair in "the masses".

Despair is hopelessness, which allows powerlessness.

THIS is why SJWs, "Sisyphus Ratchetus"-type so-called Progressives, and politicians who claim the ability to "fix things" are to be laughed at and denied dinner and lodging at all Howard Johnson's world wide.

The Utopians will be eaten by their enemies AND their former followers, when the worm turns,.. when the youth flip.

When will the youth flip? Watch for the youth to flip. When the youth flip, you've got one summer, one winter, and one spring until the "Feast on the Utopians" gets seated for the meal.


Aloha. <shaka!>

[uncertainty]

> What you can't not love about this forum is the
> consistency. "Merry Christmas don't forget WWIII could be this
> coming year...."

I would say this the other way around. It's the thousands of
mainstream media sources that are all consistent with one another.
This forum is the only one that's inconsistent with them.

> At this point I'm so interested to see what the post war era looks
> like. I wonder if the underlying anxiety goes away at that point
> or if it is just seared into the fiber of your being.

If that question really interests you, then do some research
on news, movies and literature immediately after World War II.

On a number of occasions, I've quoted what Hannah Arendt wrote in her
1950 book, <i>The Origins of Totalitarianism</i>:

Thanks John will do! One thing I have noticed is it seems when people talk about "the world" at the beginning of a new shift it actually describes the mood of the previous era pretty well. Am I bonkers or have you seen this too?

[Captain Obvious]

After a nuclear war, will anyone bother with writing history books?

[FishbellykanakaDude]

After a nuclear war, will anyone bother with writing history books?

Yes. Obviously.

..but those histories will all be "local", and rather "mythological epic", in nature.

[jmm1184]

Yeah, they were called communist revolutions.

Explain? Especially since most of them were instigated by Russia after liberation.

Were there antiwar movements in E Europe, the Balkans, Russia, or the Middle East during WWII?

The 'anti-war movement' in World War I

John, have you come across any anti-war or anti-establishment activities in E. Europe during WWII?

I remember on a thread earlier from a few months back one of the users suspecting Russia actually went through a first-turning reset, and I'm increasingly thinking this to be the case. I also suspect this is the case for E Europe, except strangely enough for the Balkans - perhaps because the Nazis were not as harsh there?

[Trevor]

World War I is also a reason why, at least from my observations, that people have trouble with Generational Dynamics and The Fourth Turning theory. I've frequently heard: "You're ignoring WWI to make the cycle work."

Another parallel with Vietnam is also how returning veterans were frequently treated. In the United States, the Bonus Army was crushed and dispersed. In both America and Europe, veterans returning home did not receive praise, parades, or frequently, any kind of recognition at all.

Germany certainly deserves a share of the blame, but unlike the second, there was plenty of blame to go around. France both wanted revenge and feared having to face Germany alone, Austria-Hungary wanted an excuse to crush Serbia, Russia wanted to protect and influence its fellow slavs, and so on.

Erich Remarque also wrote a sequel (kind of) called: "The Road Back". One of the thing it mentioned was that while older people could go back to their lives, the younger soldiers knew nothing else besides the war.

[John]

> John, have you come across any anti-war or anti-establishment
> activities in E. Europe during WWII?

> I remember on a thread earlier from a few months back one of the
> users suspecting Russia actually went through a first-turning
> reset, and I'm increasingly thinking this to be the case. I also
> suspect this is the case for E Europe, except strangely enough for
> the Balkans - perhaps because the Nazis were not as harsh
> there?

You can't really have an anti-war movement when your country is
being invaded by the Nazis.

I did once post a story about Uzbekistan staying out of WW II and
carrying out a "humanitarian mission" by sheltering refugees.

** Islamist Uzbeks lead terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e091102

One of the most amazing stories occurred during Napoleon's invasion
of Russia, when the Russian people deserted Moscow.

** Book I / Chapter 5 -- Leo Tolstoy's War and Peace
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... olstoy.htm

World War II was an Awakening era war for Russia. Ten years ago,
David Kaiser opined that WW II was an Awakening war for Russia, but it
so thoroughly destroyed the Prophet generation that it postponed the
next crisis war, which hasn't yet occurred. This is similar to the
reasoning behind a "First Turning Reset," that occurs when a crisis
occurs during a non-crisis era. This could be an unexpected massive
invasion, or it could be a forced relocation of an entire population.
In either case, the population acts according to its era, but returns
to a First Turning Recovery Era following the crisis.