16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

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16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

Postby John » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:19 am

16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea


Trump to target China's unfair trade policies in National Security Strategy

** 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea
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Contents:
China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea
China reacts contemptuously to Australia's foreign policy white paper
China continues aggressive military buildup in the South China Sea
Trump to target China's unfair trade policies in National Security Strategy


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Generational Dynamics, Australia, China, South China Sea,
Nick Bisley, Fiery Cross reef,
United Nations Permanent Court of Arbitration, PCA,
Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative, AMTI,
Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, THAAD, South Korea

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Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

Postby Coordinated fires » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:32 am

What role, I wonder, could the massive Chinese diaspora living in western countries play in a prolonged military conflict with China.

I live in a neighborhood in an urban center that has been the recipient of a particularly large influx of recent Chinese immigrants over the last five years or so. It seems that as a group, they have failed to integrate well. On the contrary, much of the signage and advertisements in this area are now written only in Chinese. This has all happened over the course of just a few years, and the change has been dramatic, everyone in the neighborhood is talking about it and many are moving out.

I go to school with many recent Chinese immigrants and they don't seem to have any interest in interacting with anyone outside of their ethnic enclave. Is it racist to worry that these communities may not have embraced a sense of loyalty to their new country, or even have its best interest at heart? I'm trying real hard to swim against the generational current here and not contribute further to the xenophobia, but I worry that my country is being changed permanently in ways we don't yet fully understand. What's worse is it is verboten to even have a conversation to discuss these issues.
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Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

Postby John » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:45 am

Coordinated fires wrote:> What role will the massive Chinese diaspora in western countries
> play in a prolonged military conflict with China.

> I live in a neighborhood in an urban center that has been the
> recipient of a particularly large influx of recent Chinese
> immigrants over the last five years or so. They have failed to
> integrate well, partially because of the "enclave effect". On the
> contrary, the signage and advertisements in this area are in many
> cases written in Chinese. This seems to me to be the precise
> opposite of integration.

> I go to school with many of them and they don't seem to have any
> interest in interacting with anyone outside of their ethnic
> community, is it racist to worry that these communities may have
> not embraced any sense of loyalty to their new country, or even
> have its best interest at heart? I'm trying real hard to swim
> against the generational current here and not fall into the pit of
> xenophobia, but I worry that my country is being changed
> permanently in ways we don't yet fully understand...and it seems
> verboten to even question this.



It's hard to say. We have two examples from WW II to look at. The
Japanese were interned, and that's considered today to have been a
mistake. The Germans were not interned, and there was no sign that
they were siding with the Nazis.

A lot depends on who is perceived to be at fault for the war. The
Nazis and Imperial Japanese were clearly at fault in WW II. If China
is similarly viewed as being at fault, then I would expect the Chinese
diaspora to aid in the war on the side of the US. But if it's
perceived that the US is at fault, then at the very least the Chinese
will have mixed emotions.

Tora

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

Postby Tora » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:37 am

America should declare China responsible for north Korea's atomic weapons program and attack North Korea, daring the Chinese snakes to do something about it.

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Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

Postby Tom Mazanec » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:49 pm

Coordinated fires wrote:What role, I wonder, could the massive Chinese diaspora living in western countries play in a prolonged military conflict with China.

I live in a neighborhood in an urban center that has been the recipient of a particularly large influx of recent Chinese immigrants over the last five years or so. It seems that as a group, they have failed to integrate well. On the contrary, much of the signage and advertisements in this area are now written only in Chinese. This has all happened over the course of just a few years, and the change has been dramatic, everyone in the neighborhood is talking about it and many are moving out.

I go to school with many recent Chinese immigrants and they don't seem to have any interest in interacting with anyone outside of their ethnic enclave. Is it racist to worry that these communities may not have embraced a sense of loyalty to their new country, or even have its best interest at heart? I'm trying real hard to swim against the generational current here and not contribute further to the xenophobia, but I worry that my country is being changed permanently in ways we don't yet fully understand. What's worse is it is verboten to even have a conversation to discuss these issues.


Something similar is happening with the Muslims, particularly in Europe but somewhat here in America. In fact, if anything it is even more extreme.
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Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

Postby John » Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:44 pm

Coordinated fires wrote:> What role will the massive Chinese diaspora in western countries
> play in a prolonged military conflict with China.

> I live in a neighborhood in an urban center that has been the
> recipient of a particularly large influx of recent Chinese
> immigrants over the last five years or so. They have failed to
> integrate well, partially because of the "enclave effect". On the
> contrary, the signage and advertisements in this area are in many
> cases written in Chinese. This seems to me to be the precise
> opposite of integration.

> I go to school with many of them and they don't seem to have any
> interest in interacting with anyone outside of their ethnic
> community, is it racist to worry that these communities may have
> not embraced any sense of loyalty to their new country, or even
> have its best interest at heart? I'm trying real hard to swim
> against the generational current here and not fall into the pit of
> xenophobia, but I worry that my country is being changed
> permanently in ways we don't yet fully understand...and it seems
> verboten to even question this.


John wrote:> It's hard to say. We have two examples from WW II to look at. The
> Japanese were interned, and that's considered today to have been a
> mistake. The Germans were not interned, and there was no sign
> that they were siding with the Nazis.

> A lot depends on who is perceived to be at fault for the war. The
> Nazis and Imperial Japanese were clearly at fault in WW II. If
> China is similarly viewed as being at fault, then I would expect
> the Chinese diaspora to aid in the war on the side of the US. But
> if it's perceived that the US is at fault, then at the very least
> the Chinese will have mixed emotions.



You might be able to find out the answer to this question simply by
asking. See if you can strike up a friendly conversation with one of
these students, and ask, "I'm worried that that China and the US are
going to war. Do you think that will happen?" or "I'm writing a term
paper on the chances of war with China, and I wonder if I could ask
you a few questions that would help me with the paper." Or ask one of
the Chinese girls out on a date, and then ask the questions during
pillow talk.

sue

Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

Postby sue » Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:52 pm

The two "sides" here are clearly drawn. Australia's reliance on UN proclamations is iffy at best. Any nation that accepts international "law" over its own self-interest is doomed. This is old hat, but does anyone remember the role of the League of Nations in war?
China is clearly aggressively pursuing an expanding empire. Attempting to make nice with the Chinese for access to cheap foreign goods is mendacious and dangerous.
President Trump: when will you realize that this NWO parlaying is fruitless and wastes valuable time and assets. Also: WTH are you accepting even one (1) muslim from Australia's pound of mixed nuts island into America. Will they be living in the White House or Maraloga? Not in my neighborhood you don't.

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Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

Postby Coordinated fires » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:35 pm

John wrote: Or ask one of
the Chinese girls out on a date, and then ask the questions during
pillow talk.


You, sir, are a genius. It's for the good of mankind you know. 8-)
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Postby John » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:46 pm

Coordinated fires wrote:
John wrote: Or ask one of
the Chinese girls out on a date, and then ask the questions during
pillow talk.


You, sir, are a genius. It's for the good of mankind you know. 8-)



I always admire someone like yourself who's willing to make a big
personal sacrifice. You're a hero!!

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Re: 16-Dec-17 World View -- China-Australia relations plummet over China's illegal militarization of South China Sea

Postby Tom Mazanec » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:59 pm

I met a Chinese person at Toastmasters. I asked her this. Her reply was along the lines of "There will be no war. America just has to grow up and learn its place."
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