29-Jan-17 World View -- Protests grow over Trump's executive order to restrict immigration / Iran promises retaliation

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shoshin wrote:"Trial Balloon for a Coup?"
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial ... .wf5f2t8yc


John, are you at all concerned about Bannon's influence on Trump?
Stephen Bannon is my hero. President Trump is keeping his promises. Donald Trump is the man Americans have been praying for. Americans will fight. kill, and die for President Trump.

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shoshin wrote: > "Trial Balloon for a Coup?"
> https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial ... .wf5f2t8yc

> John, are you at all concerned about Bannon's influence on
> Trump?
I'm trying to decode your question to figure out what you're asking.

As I recall from the past, your view is that anyone who disagrees with
Obama on any policy must be a racist. So I'm going to conclude that
in addition to some idiotic question about a coup, you're alluding to
the crap in the news media that Bannon is a so-called "white
supremacist."

So I worked with Bannon on the movie Generation Zero almost ten years
ago, and I've been cross-posting my articles on Breitbart since 2010,
and have had numerous e-mail and phone conversations with Bannon, and
I can tell you that pretty much everything you read about Bannon in
the mainstream media is total crap. In particular, he's no more a
"white supremacist" than you are. (I assume that you're not a white
supremacist, since you seem otherwise to be a black supremacist.)

So let's start with Obama. When Obama came into office, he had
absolutely no clue what was going on in the world. Since then he's
stumbled from one foreign policy disaster to the next, and I see no
signs today that Obama yet has any clue what's going on in the world.

Now let's turn to Trump. Like Obama, Trump has no clue what's going
on in the world. Actually he may know a little more than Obama, since
Trump at least knows where the golf courses are.

When I'm talking to almost anyone, it's quickly apparently that they
don't know anything about the world, and many couldn't pick out China
on a map if their lives depended on it.

But Bannon was completely different. It was obvious to me whenever I
spoke to him that he was extremely knowledgeable about the world, more
than practically anyone I've ever met.

Add to that the fact that he understands Generational Dynamics and the
work that I've been doing, and that makes Bannon probably the most
knowledgeable person in all of Washington about what's going on in the
world, and where the world is going.

So here's your question: "John, are you at all concerned about
Bannon's influence on Trump?"

My answer: My only concern is that he won't get enough influence.

** 21-Jan-17 World View -- President Trump's inauguration speech links today's America to the 1930s
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e170121

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shoshin wrote:"Trial Balloon for a Coup?"
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial ... .wf5f2t8yc

John, are you at all concerned about Bannon's influence on Trump?
I'm not John, but...

Bannon, according to John, is quite knowledgeable about Generational Dynamics, and is therefore aware that the "urge of the people" is toward more authoritarianism and more xenophobia.

The question is how to STEER those urges in non-evil ways, as those urges WILL NOT be denied for the masses!

The Zunger piece of speculative fiction is simply that. A piece of fiction.

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Guest wrote:
shoshin wrote:"Trial Balloon for a Coup?"
https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial ... .wf5f2t8yc

John, are you at all concerned about Bannon's influence on Trump?
I'm not John, but......
Ooops,... I forgot to put my name on that. Sorry. :)


-Fishbellykanaka

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Actually, John, I asked BECAUSE I knew you had a personal relationship with Bannon, and wanted your "inside take" on the "real Steve Bannon." The fact is that he looks malevolent (or ill? is he ok?), and projects a demeanor of "fuck you, I'm right, shut the fuck up." But I have no way of knowing if that's what he's like. And he did, as he says, "provide a platform for white nationalists," which probably was a good business decision, but somewhat morally cringe-worthy. Maybe he's just a great businessman.

And as for teaching GD to Trump, I have a hard time envisioning Bannon putting his arm around Trump, smiling, and saying "Don't worry, politicians are irrelevant, it's the masses that make movements. Just keep giving the thumbs up." Really?

And no, I'm not a black nationalist, Louis Farrakhan drummed me out of the nation of Islam when I flunked the DNA test.

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shoshin wrote:
And as for teaching GD to Trump, I have a hard time envisioning Bannon putting his arm around Trump, smiling, and saying "Don't worry, politicians are irrelevant, it's the masses that make movements. Just keep giving the thumbs up." Really?
He might just say that, and I think President Trump would be smart enough to listen. AND that would be good advice.

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shoshin wrote: > Actually, John, I asked BECAUSE I knew you had a personal
> relationship with Bannon, and wanted your "inside take" on the
> "real Steve Bannon." The fact is that he looks malevolent (or ill?
> is he ok?), and projects a demeanor of "fuck you, I'm right, shut
> the fuck up." But I have no way of knowing if that's what he's
> like. And he did, as he says, "provide a platform for white
> nationalists," which probably was a good business decision, but
> somewhat morally cringe-worthy. Maybe he's just a great
> businessman.

> And as for teaching GD to Trump, I have a hard time envisioning
> Bannon putting his arm around Trump, smiling, and saying "Don't
> worry, politicians are irrelevant, it's the masses that make
> movements. Just keep giving the thumbs up." Really?

> And no, I'm not a black nationalist, Louis Farrakhan drummed me
> out of the nation of Islam when I flunked the DNA test.
I don't know why Bannon made that remark about alt-right, but I assume
what he meant was that the people who hate Muslims can come to
Breitbart and post their comments.

When I started cross-posting on Breitbart in 2010, I quickly became
extremely upset about the hate-filled comments targeting Muslims that
my articles received, and I got into some pretty depressing arguments
with some of these people. I wrote an article about it at the time:

** American xenophobia on the Left and on the Right
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e101107


In addition, I decided that I really had to know if Andrew Breitbart,
who was still alive at the time, felt the same way, because I felt I
couldn't have anything to do with the Breitbart site if so. So I
requested an interview with Breitbart to ask him some general
questions about the web site and news, but my real hidden purpose was
to find out his attitude towards Muslims. Long story short, I was
completely reassured. My article on that interview is still available
on my web site:

** 1-Jan-11 News -- Andrew Breitbart: Even Muslims are afraid to stand up to Islamists
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e110101


So when the mainstream media criticizes Breitbart, they fail to
distinguish between the articles and comments. I don't read many of
the articles on Breitbart, but I'm not aware of any that are "white
supremacist" or that target hate messages at Muslims. In fact, most
of the articles are straight news stories; I'm one of the few
analysts.

However, now I want to distinguish between hate comments directed at
Muslims and blacks. Although there have been hundreds of comments to
my articles directed against Muslims, I don't believe that there have
been even a dozen that could be described as racist towards blacks.
Even when the commenters are describing Obama, they'll frequent use
words like Obummer or Ozero, but only a couple of times have I seen
anything that refers to race.

So I would have to reject the claim that the Breitbart site is "white
supremacist," even in the comments. And of course, I've never heard
from Bannon any sign of white supremacy or hate directed at blacks or
Muslims.

With regard to politicians being irrelevant, that's not what I said.
In the current situation, the world is headed for a world war, and it
makes no difference whether Trump or Clinton is president, because no
politician can either cause or prevent that event.

However, to use an analogy, if your boat is sailing through a storm,
then the boat captain can neither cause nor prevent a storm, but if a
storm is coming, then one captain may do a better job than another in
guiding the boat through the storm.

My personal belief is that America will be best guided through the
coming storm by a president who has the benefit of an understanding of
Generational Dynamics, because that's the only methodology that
describes what's actually going on in the world.

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John,...

Could it be that the "Left's (Overlord Class's Street-Level-Fighters'/Organizers'/Underlings')" abjectly hysterical apocalyptic reaction to "anything Trump-ish" is because they DO understand the trends pointed to by GD, and their "Plan B" is to attempt to use the forces produced to (eventually) try to "re-acquire" the mechanisms of power to "save" the US by the only means that they believe possible,..

..which is for THEM to be the "Only True Saviors" by being our Beneficent Totalitarian (Overlords) during the actual crisis period?

"Plan A" would have been to win the presidency, and gradually institute totalitarian "reforms", until the time to reveal themselves was propitious to them appearing as "Powerful Leaders" to a population clamoring for a savior.

Then again, perhaps our current situation is their "Plan A"?!

..hmmmm.

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Trump: doing it like a boss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_b2ytGBlcw

Not since Ronald Reagan have I felt so proud to be an American. President Trump is a Deus Ex Machina moment: America saved from oblivion at the last moment.

The last command: Forward-to victory!

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FishbellykanakaDude wrote:John,...

Could it be that the "Left's (Overlord Class's Street-Level-Fighters'/Organizers'/Underlings')" abjectly hysterical apocalyptic reaction to "anything Trump-ish" is because they DO understand the trends pointed to by GD, and their "Plan B" is to attempt to use the forces produced to (eventually) try to "re-acquire" the mechanisms of power to "save" the US by the only means that they believe possible,..
NO. Liberals are too stupid to understand anything. You can lead a horse to water, but...

Hint: the horse skeletons next to the river were all liberals. Liberalism is a brain disease.

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