15-Sep-16 World View -- UK politicians debate the 2011 Libya intervention / The intervention dilemma

[John]

15-Sep-16 World View -- UK politicians debate the 2011 Libya intervention

Libya and Syria illustrate the intervention dilemma for policy makers

** 15-Sep-16 World View -- UK politicians debate the 2011 Libya intervention
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e160915


Contents:
UK politicians debate the 2011 Libya intervention
Libya and Syria illustrate the intervention dilemma for policy makers


Keys:
Generational Dynamics, UK Parliament, France, Libya, Muammar Gaddafi,
Islamic State / of Iraq and Syria/Sham/the Levant, IS, ISIS, ISIL, Daesh,
Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq

[Coordinated fires]

What is the solution to all this? More strikes, less strikes, troops, no troops? I mean seriously, short of comitting hundreds of thousands of nato ground troops to conduct stability and security assistance operations in these countries for the next 30 years (and being called an evil imperialist crusader for our troubles) what can be done?

It seems russiachina has rendered the UN useless, economic sanctions seem to do nothing, threats of force and "red lines" do nothing, every move we make in the MIdeast now has an opposite Russian countermove so no fly zones probably won't work, the current military operations seem to be fixing very little, the peace process is a joke, there's no end in sight with the conflict now playing host to at least three separate proxy wars that i can count...and now we get to sit here and wait for the next shithole country to go up in flames.

I've been watching this thing play out since summer 2010 when I was still a freshman, I've gone back and forth between intervention and non intervention and frankly I'm at my wits end. I don't think I'm alone either

We can't even say hands off none of our business because aparently it is our business to absorb and pay for the fallout from all the worlds various humanitarian crises.

Should we intervene in these countries every time it looks like a civil war is brewing? Maybe. Somtimes i think it might be, sometimes not. I don't know but It seems either way we'll be called imperialist racists and either way we'll be expected to fix it and pick up the pieces.

[John]

> What is the solution to all this? More strikes, less strikes,
> troops, no troops? I mean seriously, short of comitting hundreds
> of thousands of nato ground troops to conduct stability and
> security assistance operations in these countries for the next 30
> years (and being called an evil imperialist crusader for our
> troubles) what can be done?

> It seems russiachina has rendered the UN useless, economic
> sanctions seem to do nothing, threats of force and "red lines" do
> nothing, every move we make in the MIdeast now has an opposite
> Russian countermove so no fly zones probably won't work, the
> current military operations seem to be fixing very little, the
> peace process is a joke, there's no end in sight with the conflict
> now playing host to at least three separate proxy wars that i can
> count...and now we get to sit here and wait for the next shithole
> country to go up in flames.

> I've been watching this thing play out since summer 2010 when I
> was still a freshman, I've gone back and forth between
> intervention and non intervention and frankly I'm at my wits
> end. I don't think I'm alone either

> We can't even say hands off none of our business because aparently
> it is our business to absorb and pay for the fallout from all the
> worlds various humanitarian crises.

> Should we intervene in these countries every time it looks like a
> civil war is brewing? Maybe. Somtimes i think it might be,
> sometimes not. I don't know but It seems either way we'll be
> called imperialist racists and either way we'll be expected to fix
> it and pick up the pieces.

I actually believe that a rational intervention / non-intervention
policy could be adopted by using generational theory to predict the
likely outcomes.

The problem is that no rational policy of any kind is possible, since
the intervention question is always decided on a case by case basis
based on purely political considerations that usually have no relation
to the real world. As I sometimes point out, most people your age and
even older couldn't find China on a map, and yet it's their votes and
their polling results that determine policy at any given time, and
there's no hope whatsoever that this will be rational.