25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Turkey

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25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Turkey

Postby John » Wed Aug 24, 2016 10:37 pm

25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting


US VP Biden snubbed by Turkey's angry president Erdogan

** 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e160825.htm#e160825




Contents:
US VP Biden snubbed by Turkey's angry president Erdogan
North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting
UN Security Council has emergency meeting on North Korea missile tests


Keys:
Generational Dynamics, Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Joseph Biden,
Fethullah Gulen, Fetullahist Terror Organization, FETO,
Islamic State / of Iraq and Syria/Sham/the Levant, IS, ISIS, ISIL, Daesh,
North Korea, Thae Yong Ho, Panmunjom, Bridge of No Return

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Re: 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Tur

Postby pgang » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:54 am

"This is a criticism that a number of Muslim authorities have raised, saying that referring to this terror group as "Islamic State" makes as much sense as referring to a Christian terror group like the IRA as "Christian State." "

I don't get it. IRA stands for Irish Republican Army, because they were killing people in the name of an Irish Republic. Christianity had nothing to do with it, so why would you call it Christian State?"

Islamic State, on the other hand, is killing people in the name of establishing an Islamic State. It leans heavily on Islamic teachings to justify its mayhem. So why would you call it anything but Islamic State, unless perhaps Islamic State Army?

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Re: 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Tur

Postby John » Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:18 am

pgang wrote:> "This is a criticism that a number of Muslim authorities have
> raised, saying that referring to this terror group as "Islamic
> State" makes as much sense as referring to a Christian terror
> group like the IRA as "Christian State." "

> I don't get it. IRA stands for Irish Republican Army, because
> they were killing people in the name of an Irish Republic.
> Christianity had nothing to do with it, so why would you call it
> Christian State?"

> Islamic State, on the other hand, is killing people in the name of
> establishing an Islamic State. It leans heavily on Islamic
> teachings to justify its mayhem. So why would you call it
> anything but Islamic State, unless perhaps Islamic State
> Army?


The point is that they can't. Even though the Catholic IRA is
fighting against Protestants, and even if the IRA were killing
children in the name of the Catholic God, they still couldn't credibly
call themselves the "Christian State" or the "Catholic State."
Erdogan and other Muslims say the same thing about "Islamic State."

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Re: 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Tur

Postby Coordinated fires » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:10 am

Sorry, sharia law is Islamic. Isis imposes sharia law in the territories in occupies. If they don't like being seen in such a negative light perhaps they should drop the desire to violently subjugate women, gays, and apostates from their Islamic law.

The singular goal of every Muslim terror organization (as well as every peaceful political-Islam movement) from Mali to Indonesia ,and almost every nation in between, is very clear. To impose sharia law and establish states which recognize only The Quran as the only acceptable "constitution" ....thus an ISLAMIC state. I have zero problem with somebody practicing their faith but if you support the imposition of sharia law in a political sense you are my enemy. Period.
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Re: 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Tur

Postby Coordinated fires » Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:19 am

John wrote:
pgang wrote:> "This is a criticism that a number of Muslim authorities have
> raised, saying that referring to this terror group as "Islamic
> State" makes as much sense as referring to a Christian terror
> group like the IRA as "Christian State." "

> I don't get it. IRA stands for Irish Republican Army, because
> they were killing people in the name of an Irish Republic.
> Christianity had nothing to do with it, so why would you call it
> Christian State?"

> Islamic State, on the other hand, is killing people in the name of
> establishing an Islamic State. It leans heavily on Islamic
> teachings to justify its mayhem. So why would you call it
> anything but Islamic State, unless perhaps Islamic State
> Army?


The point is that they can't. Even though the Catholic IRA is
fighting against Protestants, and even if the IRA were killing
children in the name of the Catholic God, they still couldn't credibly
call themselves the "Christian State" or the "Catholic State."
Erdogan and other Muslims say the same thing about "Islamic State."


John, the Ira didn't have half the world fooled into believing thier deeds were ok ...BECAUSE DIVERSITY...because oppression... Because white privilege etc etc Millions of self-loathing western liberal university students weren't on board with the IRA's intolerance ....BECAUSE tolerance. .
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Re: 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Tur

Postby John » Thu Aug 25, 2016 12:50 pm

Coordinated fires wrote:> Sorry, sharia law is Islamic. Isis imposes sharia law in the
> territories in occupies. If they don't like being seen in such a
> negative light perhaps they should drop the desire to violently
> subjugate women, gays, and apostates from their Islamic
> law.


Sorry, but this is ridiculous. Sharia law is different in every
country, just like "Roman law" or "English common law" is different in
every country where it's implemented.

And by the way, women constantly complain every day that Western
law allows them to be treated violently, and gays make similar
complaints. In fact, sodomy is still legal in 14 states,
and is still prosecuted.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... g/7981025/

As for things like apostasy, heresy and blasphemy, I've written
about these subjects from a historical point of view several
times. For example, blasphemy is still against the law in
Ireland, though it's rarely punished.

** 20-Sep-12 World View -- France closes embassies after magazine publishes Mohammed satire
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e120920.htm#e120920



The Catholic religion has held that Jews "through their own fault were
condemned by God to eternal servitude" because they were responsible
for killing Jesus. This was part of Catholic law until it
was finally repealed in 1986.

** 25-May-14 World View -- Pope Francis visits Mideast to reconcile with Jews, Orthodox, and Muslims
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/xct.gd.e140525.htm#e140525



So as I've said before, you really don't know what you're talking
about.

Coordinated fires wrote:> The singular goal of every Muslim terror organization (as well as
> every peaceful political-Islam movement) from Mali to Indonesia
> ,and almost every nation in between, is very clear. To impose
> sharia law and establish states which recognize only The Quran as
> the only acceptable "constitution" ....thus an ISLAMIC state. I
> have zero problem with somebody practicing their faith but if you
> support the imposition of sharia law in a political sense you are
> my enemy. Period.


And this is most moronic of all, but we've had this conversation
before.

Coordinated fires wrote:> John, the Ira didn't have half the world fooled into believing
> thier deeds were ok ...BECAUSE DIVERSITY...because
> oppression... Because white privilege etc etc Millions of
> self-loathing western liberal university students weren't on board
> with the IRA's intolerance ....BECAUSE tolerance.


And hundreds of millions of Muslims are not on board with ISIS's
atrocities.

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Re: 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Tur

Postby Coordinated fires » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:27 am

John, you should learn to lay off the ad hominems. You make a very compelling argument without them and insulting your own readers who are only trying to have an open debate is childish and petty. Do you really endorse having Islamic religious law practiced and enforced in America or Canada or Britain?

No doubt most Muslims abhor this shit however there are a large number of Muslims living in the west who think otherwise, a very large number. Islamism seems to be much more mainstream within Islam compared to some idiotic obscure bylaw you can produce out of alabama or wherever that hasn' been enforced in 20 years to in order to draw a moral equivalence.

At the end of the day John we all know there weren't a dozen Christian extremist attacks in Europe just in 2016, we know thousands and thousands of Christian youth are not flocking to Ireland to join the holy crusade against the infidel.


ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images ... n%2007.pdf

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-ye ... r-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/ ... fanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 51,00.html

World Public Opinion: 83% of Egyptians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Indonesians approve of attacks on American troops.
26% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on American troops.
68% of Moroccans approve of attacks on American troops.
90% of Palestinians approve of attacks on American troops.
72% of Jordanians approve of attacks on American troops.
52% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (39% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on American troops.
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion (2009): 30% of Palestinians support attacks on American civilians working in Muslim countries. 24% support the murder of Americans on U.S. soil.
Only 74% of Turks and 55% of Pakistanis disapprove of terror attacks against civilians on U.S. soil.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/art ... baar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-as ... df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-as ... df#page=60

27% of British Muslims do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... amist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

World Public Opinion: Majorities in Egypt (63%) and Libya (61%) supported the 9/11/2012 attacks against American embassies, including Benghazi.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... d=&pnt=727

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll- ... on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/mus ... st-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio ... slim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-fo ... oll-shows/

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/con ... ddle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -poll.html

ICM (2016): 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain would not report terror plot to police.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/a ... 730825.ece
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Re: 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Tur

Postby John » Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:17 am

Coordinated fires wrote:> John, you should learn to lay off the ad hominems. You make a very
> compelling argument without them and insulting your own readers
> who are only trying to have an open debate is childish and
> petty. Do you really endorse having Islamic religious law
> practiced and enforced in America or Canada or Britain?


OK, let's analyze this situation.

First off, there is absolutely no path by which Sharia law would
be "enforced in America or Canada or Britain." Even if ISIS
perpetrated a hundred terrorist acts and killed a thousand
people, that would not by any means lead to Sharia law being
enforced. So you're asking a stupid question.

And I think you know that, because I can tell that you're not a
stupid person. So when person who is not stupid asks a stupid
question, what do I make of that?

I make of it that the person is a troll, not a sincere person who
wants to comment or ask a question or debate something, but an
insincere person who is trying to bait me into saying something as
stupid as his question for the purpose of embarrassing me.

I've been doing this now thirteen years, and I've run into many
trolls and bullies, especially on Breitbart, and I've gotten pretty
good at spotting them. And you come across to me not as a sincere
person who wants to debate, but as a troll, hiding behind an anonymous
handle, with some completely different agenda, and that's the reason
for my reaction to you.


Coordinated fires wrote:> ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html

> NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
> http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

> Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7
> bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
> http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images ... n%2007.pdf



And there are also polls that indicate that a comparable percentage of
Americans believe that the Jews were the perpetrators of the 9/11
attacks. You can get 20% of Americans to agree to almost anything.
As for young people, most of them couldn't find China on a map, so
their opinion on matters like this doesn't mean much.

That's a nice collection of links. I knew you weren't stupid. It's a
shame you're a troll.

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Re: 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Tur

Postby Coordinated fires » Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:19 am

John wrote:...

Look John I can be prone to bombast sure and tend to get riled up about this particular subject but I'm not trolling.

The reason I'm so concerned about this is because Im Canada and Britain there have been increasingly intense calls for sharia courts to be adopted in the west for Use by Muslims. Especially in civil divorces, where the women would of course be told they have no right to property. There are also increasingly intense protests calling for blasphemy laws in Canada.

So when I ask of you if you think sharia should be practiced here I am dead seriouse. On my university campus just last semester there was a certain Muslim students group calling for this very thing. They were also calling, believe it or not, for women and male students to be effectively segregated in the university swimming pool facilities. I'm dead seriouse about this and I think they are too.

We may agree to disagree but I'm not just trolling.
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Re: 25-Aug-16 World View -- North Korea lays land mines to prevent soldiers from defecting / US VP Biden snubbed by Tur

Postby John » Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:02 pm

Coordinated fires wrote:> Look John I can be prone to bombast sure and tend to get riled up
> about this particular subject but I'm not trolling.

> The reason I'm so concerned about this is because Im Canada and
> Britain there have been increasingly intense calls for sharia
> courts to be adopted in the west for Use by Muslims. Especially in
> civil divorces, where the women would of course be told they have
> no right to property. There are also increasingly intense protests
> calling for blasphemy laws in Canada.

> So when I ask of you if you think sharia should be practiced here
> I am dead seriouse. On my university campus just last semester
> there was a certain Muslim students group calling for this very
> thing. They were also calling, believe it or not, for women and
> male students to be effectively segregated in the university
> swimming pool facilities. I'm dead seriouse about this and I think
> they are too.

> We may agree to disagree but I'm not just trolling.


Nominally, any "Islamic" country follows Sharia law, but in the sense
that you mean, that really only applies to the Arabian Peninsula.
Other countries that were conquered in the 700s by the Islamic armies
may have been technically following Sharia law, but that was mainly
in administrative matters and the use of the Arabic language.

It's almost impossible to change a culture's family values or
household customs, certainly not be conquest. Turkey today is a good
example. Is a headscarf required by Sharia law or not? Under
Ataturk, a headscarf was illegal. Under Erdogan, a headscarf is
allowed. But in Iran, a headscarf is required.

The bottom line is that hardline Sharia law applies only to the Arabs,
while other Islamic societies pick and choose what they want, which is
the same for non-Islamic legal frameworks.

I'm going to guess that the call to segregate male and female students
at your university swimming pool was not implemented. One group or
another "calls for" something every five minutes, but usually such
calls are ignored. I've "called for" things as well, but nobody
cared.

As an example of how crazy this is, some cities in France are banning
burqinis on the beach. This means that a woman can wear a burqini on
the boardwalk, but as soon as she steps onto the beach she's breaking
the law. The French are going to drive themselves crazy trying to
figure out this idiotic issue, but what it shows is that even minor
changes to cultural customs generate so much controversy that they
don't get very far.

A related issue is that in generational Crisis eras, religious fault
lines become sharper and more divisive, while Awakening eras are more
egalitarian, and religious fault lines recede.


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