25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

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Coordinated fires

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

Post by Coordinated fires »

John wrote:for you this is only about
good governance, and not about migration."
this is the only point I was trying to make, there are still a significant amount of people such as myself who have been against the eu because of the fact that it superimposes a monetary authority over a patchwork of different fiscal authorities. Also another layer of centralized beaurocracy between taxpayers and their money etc etc. Yes I'm a small gov't conservative so shoot me.

As for people who are driven largely by a reaction to the migration crises, I have never blamed the migrants themselves, and have not done so in this thread. My only concern with the refugees themselves would be why they are so heavily skewed to military-aged males as opposed to women and children, and polls that indicate high levels of support for sharia law to be practised in the west( although polls can be erroneous). But I digress.

I have always layed the blame squarely on the heads of western politicians who have failed to destroy, isil, aqim, ansar al sharia et al. And their failure to impose a no fly zone / safe zones for refugees. I blame the Putin regime and for deliberately fanning the flames of the crises and supplying weapons contrary to un embargoes. I blame the mullahs in Iran for supporting a tyrant. I blame the gulf Arab states for their failure to control their own golem that is Wahhabism.

Many people think along these lines, we're not just all motivated by a racial animus.

Guest

Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

Post by Guest »

So the only reason the current horde of Africans, Pakistanis, Arabs, etc. is having a rough time in Europe is because of racism and xenophobia? You don't think the rapes, beatings, robberies, and murders that many of these immigrants are guilty of has anything to do with it?

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Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

Post by gerald »

"According to YouGov exit polls, Millennials voted overwhelmingly for the "Remain" side, meaning that the UK would remain in the EU, while Boomers voted for the "Leave" side. The breakdown by age group was:

18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain
Yorkshire Post columnist Grant Woodward wrote:

"Brexit will come to be seen as the Baby Boomers’ ultimate betrayal of younger generations and those that will follow. A knee-jerk response to a series of red herrings, a protest vote with the potential for long-term catastrophe that they won’t be around to endure."
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Winston Churchill quotes - supposedly --

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/if-you- ... 47162.html

I am in my 70's, when I was in my 20's I was a bit idealistic and believing but willing to question. Today one could call me a cynic after seeing corruption , lies, deceit, stupidly, blackmail, etc. on personal and political levels. Young people tend to be easier to con due to lack of experience. Sorry I don't mean to offend the "young" but what is is.
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And the young generally have yet to be paying taxes. Over the years I have come to the opinion, yes I know there are issues with this, but if one does not pay taxes they should not be allowed to vote. For what you wind up with is the generally non-productive tax and tell the productive what to do. A big problem.

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Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

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One group of people want to wipe out another. The other group don't wish to be wiped out. Identifying the fundamental motivation for both peoples as racism and xenophobia is acceptable. Humanity has a long history of migration and displacement, of Us verses Them. The problem us that the accurate terms of racism and xenophobia have been weaponized to shame and coerce paradigms to the point whereby we can't think of them in terms of group behaviors to ensure group survivability.

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Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

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Considering all of the propaganda thrown around as news or what ever regarding the markets, economy , politics, living standards, etc. a quote from the past from one who had some experience with propaganda might be appropriate at this time.

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise." Adolf Hitler http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quote ... 08716.html

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Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

Post by John »

People keep asking me to tell them what's wrong with racism and
xenophobia. I'm always puzzled by this question, because I don't know
of any historical example where racism and xenophobia were successful.
I know of plenty of examples where racism and xenophobia ended in
disaster, especially in the next Crisis era, but I don't know of any
example where they were successful.

Does anyone know of a historical example where racism and xenophobia
achieved the intended and desired outcome? Or at least does anyone
know of a historical example where they didn't end in disaster?

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Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

Post by gerald »

John wrote:People keep asking me to tell them what's wrong with racism and
xenophobia. I'm always puzzled by this question, because I don't know
of any historical example where racism and xenophobia were successful.
I know of plenty of examples where racism and xenophobia ended in
disaster, especially in the next Crisis era, but I don't know of any
example where they were successful.

Does anyone know of a historical example where racism and xenophobia
achieved the intended and desired outcome? Or at least does anyone
know of a historical example where they didn't end in disaster?
What is the time line, and what are the definitions of the words?

Example faggot --http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=faggo

When I went to college ,1964, there was a saying in the auditorium above the stage " ( built in the 1920's ) you must set fire to the faggots which you have brought" meaning you must set fire to ideas and think. ( it was later hidden ) Faggot meant bundle of sticks, not gays.

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Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

Post by gerald »

gerald wrote:"The European Union was formed after two world wars and the Great Depression. Institutions were put into place with the specific purpose of preventing a new war between European nations, and preventing the financial abuse that led to the Great Depression. Today, with the survivors of World War II gone, anger, nationalism, xenophobia, and stupidity are back in full force."

I am not disagreeing with the above statement. ----

Hmm -- So the EU was formed to prevent a repeat of WWII.( founded upon numerous treaties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_o ... pean_Union ) And what started WWII? The groundwork was started by the elites armistice structure to punish Germany after WWI. And what started WWI? The elites structure of treaties among them selves, and was triggered by one man killing another leading to the death of millions. ---- And the elites get all bent out of shape when the "people" don't support them, I wonder why.
President Of The European Parliament: "It Is Not The EU Philosophy That The Crowd Can Decide Its Fate"
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-2 ... e-its-fate
Where have we heard this before?

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Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-2 ... -shrinking

Article mirrors the racial/xenophobia explanation along economic lines.

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Re: 25-Jun-16 World View -- Fallout from Brexit: Impact on geopolitics, economics, and stock markets

Post by gerald »

psCargile wrote:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-2 ... -shrinking

Article mirrors the racial/xenophobia explanation along economic lines.
Similar issues were described in "Atlas Shrugged" by Ann Rand. Interesting times.

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