2-Mar-16 World View -- Russian and Syrian war crimes are 'weaponizing' the refugee crisis for Europe

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2-Mar-16 World View -- Russian and Syrian war crimes are 'weaponizing' the refugee crisis for Europe

Bulldozers bury the 'Jungle' refugee camp in Calais France


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There are numerous muslim majority countries that are all closer than France or Britain that could accommodate muslim refugees but will not step up to do so. That leaves a question as to why. I would seem no one wants to consider that these refugees are invaders looking for Bernie Sanders politicians to provide free stuff until they can eventually displace the locals. We have a 1400 year history of muslims doing just that in asia and Europe. Muslims are looking to mandate submission to their religion and Russia has a long history of having to deal with muslims. Muslim invasions were occurring long before barrel bombs and will always continue until the religion is gone.

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Re: 2-Mar-16 World View -- Russian and Syrian war crimes are 'weaponizing' the refugee crisis for Europe

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Mr. Xenakis,
I believe that the reason Bashar al-Assad and Russia are barrel bombing Syria is to ethnically cleanse certain regions of the country. Thus, they are guilty of localized genocide. They are also weaponizing migration but I do not believe this is their primary objective. Their primary objective is to ethnically cleanse certain areas of their Sunni and other minority group populations so as to be able to repopulate these same areas with Shias and Alawites. The fact that the resulting Sunni exodus is causing headaches and problems for enemy countries is merely icing on the cake for al-Assad. Russia and Iran have persuaded the Syrian government to consolidate control of a "New Alawite Syria", which is the agenda behind the concentrated Russian bombing in certain areas. Thus, Bashar al-Assad is giving up on the barbarian hinterlands and focusing on the more desireable (and defensible) urban and coastal areas for his new seat of power.

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josa0512 wrote: > Mr. Xenakis, I believe that the reason Bashar al-Assad and Russia
> are barrel bombing Syria is to ethnically cleanse certain regions
> of the country. Thus, they are guilty of localized genocide.
> They are also weaponizing migration but I do not believe this is
> their primary objective. Their primary objective is to ethnically
> cleanse certain areas of their Sunni and other minority group
> populations so as to be able to repopulate these same areas with
> Shias and Alawites. The fact that the resulting Sunni exodus is
> causing headaches and problems for enemy countries is merely icing
> on the cake for al-Assad. Russia and Iran have persuaded the
> Syrian government to consolidate control of a "New Alawite Syria",
> which is the agenda behind the concentrated Russian bombing in
> certain areas. Thus, Bashar al-Assad is giving up on the barbarian
> hinterlands and focusing on the more desireable (and defensible)
> urban and coastal areas for his new seat of power.
I agree about the ethnic cleansing analysis. But when I say stuff
like that, then on the Breitbart site I get attacked in the comments
by numerous paid Russian trolls. I'm actually not complaining.
They're just writing what they're told to write, which is so idiotic
that it's fun to respond.

I don't think al-Assad has to be convinced though. He's a true
psychopath/sociopath.

*** "The vitriolic hatred of Bashar al-Assad"
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John wrote: >I don't think al-Assad has to be convinced though. He's a true
psychopath/sociopath.
Like father, like son.

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A web site reader with an anti-American agenda, probably a
paid Russian internet troll, accused America of causing the
European refugee crisis by deciding to bomb Libya in 2011.
It's a bizarre accusation, based on the usual technique of
starting by making up facts that fit the agenda.

Still, the West is on the verge of beginning a major new military
intervention in Libya, so it's worth looking back to 2011 to figure
out what actually happened at that time.

So I went back to what I had written starting in January 2011.

This actually turned out to be pretty fascinating. and it's actually
amazing to recall what happened at that time. The "Arab Spring" was
one of the major generational events since WW II, and it's actually
still going on if you count the wars in Syria, Iraq and Yemen.

Here's a summary:
  • Jan: Triggered by the death of a Tunisian food vendor, there were
    massive protests and gun battles in Tunisia, forcing the president to
    flee the country. There were violent protests in Egypt, and
    there were anti-government demonstrations in Yemen. There were
    fears that instability would continue to spread. Lebanon's
    government collapsed.
  • Jan: There were worldwide food riots as food prices reached
    historic highs. Egypt's stock market crashed, and economic
    instability spread to other countries.
  • Feb: Egypt's president Hosni Mubarak was forced to step down.
  • Feb: Refugee crisis in Tunisia, sends thousands of Tunisians
    across the Mediterranean Sea to Italy.
  • Feb: Bloodbath in Libya spreads from Benghazi and Tobruk in
    the east to Tripoli in the west. Muammar Gaddafi threatens
    to shoot to kill protesters, and says he'll crush any enemy.
  • Mar: Mideast riots spread to Bangladesh and Oman. Saudi Arabia
    was locked down over 'Days of Rage'. Bahrain uprising becomes
    explosive. Yemen fighting escalates.
  • Mar: Massive refugee crisis in Libya, with hundreds of thousands
    of refugees pouring into neighboring countries. Anti-government
    rebels demand that US, Britain and Nato establish a no-fly zone.
  • Mar: Arab League unanimously requests no-fly zone over Libya.
  • Mar: Gaddafi declares war on protesters in Lybia. Said that "the
    moment of truth had come" for Benghazi.
  • Apr: Street protests that had been growing for weeks became
    explosive, after tens of thousands of Syrians poured out into the
    streets. At least 90 people were killed and dozens injured when
    Syrian security forces fired live bullets and teargas at the
    protesters.
For those who would like to read the original stories,
here's a list of them, along with some quotes from
the stories:


** 7-Jan-2011 Food riots begin again as food prices reach historic highs
** 9-Jan-2011 Food riots kill two in Algeria
** 14-Jan-2011 Israeli troops on high alert after Lebanon's government collapses
** 15-Jan-2011 Tunisia's president flees country after mass protests
** 17-Jan-2011 Gun battles erupt in Tunisia amid fears of regional instability
** 24-Jan-2011 Police join the protesters in Tunisia
""Tunisia-style uprisings" have been occurring, to a
greater or lesser extent, in Algeria, Egypt, Yemen and Albania, in
the wake of Tunisia's "Jasmine Revolution" that has forced the
dictatorial former president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali to flee the
country. We can watch each of these countries in the next few
days to see whether the uprisings fill expand or
fizzle."
** 28-Jan-2011 Egypt stock market crashes as riots spread through Mideast
"When the riots in Tunisia began, analysts wondered
about "contagion" -- whether they would spread to other Arab
countries. Indeed they have.
In Yemen, thousands of people turned out to demonstrate against
the government, demanding change, though there were also
pro-government rallies. No violence has been reported.
Violent protests continued across Egypt on Thursday, for a third
consecutive day, despite a large deployment of security forces by
the government. The protesters are trying to bring down the 82
year old President Hosni Mubarak, who has been in power in Egypt
for 30 years."
** 29-Jan-2011 Fears of Muslim Brotherhood victory in Egypt
** 30-Jan-2011 Rioting continues in Egypt, as young demonstrators demand 'change'
** 4-Feb-2011 The lull before the storm in Egypt as 'Friday of Departure' approaches
"There was bloodshed in Egypt again on Thursday, as
pro- and anti-Mubarak fought each other in Cairo and Alexandria.
Still, the streets were quieter on Thursday than they had been for
the preceding couple of days."
** 5-Feb-2011 Food prices surge +3.4% in January to fresh historic highs
** 8-Feb-2011 Bangladesh riots over stock market crash and food inflation
** 11-Feb-2011 Egypt 'contagion' threatens stability of Saudi Arabia
** 12-Feb-2011 As Egypt's president Mubarak resigns, tension grows in the Sinai
** 15-Feb-2011 Tens of thousands in Iran demonstrate against government and face violence
** 16-Feb-2011 Tunisian refugees flood into Italy
"Since the uprising began in Tunisia in mid-January,
thousands of French-speaking Tunisians have taken advantage of the
chaos to migrate to Italy through the Mediterranean island of
Lampedusa, mostly for economic reasons. Lampedusa Island is part
of Italy."
** 18-Feb-2011 Bahrain's government chooses the massacre scenario
** 20-Feb-2011 Bloodbath in Libya, while Bahrain's government backs down
"Government armed forced pursued a violent crackdown
on unarmed demonstrators in eastern portion of Libya on Saturday,
especially in Benghazi, Bayda and Tobruk. Long convoys of
military vehicles went into eastern regions and fired on
demonstrators with high powered weapons. The death toll may be
well over 100, although exact numbers cannot be
confirmed."
** 21-Feb-2011 Libya's bloodbath spreads to Tripoli as tribal leaders turn against government
** 22-Feb-2011 Libya's Gaddafi shoots to kill protesters with massive firepower
** 23-Feb-2011 Libya's Muammar Gaddafi gives a psychopathic speech to his people
** 24-Feb-2011 Clashes in Jos, Nigeria, pit Christians against Muslims
** 26-Feb-2011 Gaddafi's bloody fanaticism makes US/Nato military action increasingly likely
"Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi continued his defiant
rhetoric on Friday, saying that he would "crush any enemy." He
spoke to thousands of supporters in Tripoli's Green Square, and
threatened to open his military arsenals and make weapons
available to his supporters and tribesmen. He shouted and waved
his fists. "Get ready to fight for Libya, get ready to fight for
dignity, get ready to fight for petroleum! We can crush any
enemy. We can crush it with the people's will.""
Many observers now fear that, unlike the leaders in Tunisia and
Egypt, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi will refuse to step down, and
will fight to the death -- his own death, and the deaths of many
Libyans."
** 1-Mar-2011 Mideast riots and violence spreads to Oman
"About 1,000 protesters set a supermarket on fire in
Sohar, on the northwest coast of Oman, on Monday, in the third day
of clashes with police. The protesters were mostly young people,
claiming that most jobs are given to migrant workers from other
countries, leaving Omanis without jobs."
** 2-Mar-2011 Massive refugee crisis in Libya increases international calls for intervention
"Reports indicate that hundreds of thousands of people
are fleeing across Libya's borders into Egypt, Tunisia and Niger.
The Tripoli Post quotes Ayman Gharaibeh of the UN's humanitarian
agency as saying, "We can see acres of people waiting to cross the
border. Many have been waiting for three to four days in the
freezing cold, with no shelter or food."
Once the refugees cross the border, they generally have no place
to go. In Tunisia, refugess are met with local Tunisians who
attack them with stakes and iron bars, according to Robert Fisk at
the Indepedent. ...
Anti-government rebels have been demanding that the U.S., Britain
and Nato establish a no-fly zone in Libya: "Gadhafi's air force is
a serious threat to us. We will welcome a no-fly zone on
Gadhafi's warplanes over the whole of Libya. The only thing we
object to is foreign troops on Libyan soil."
** 4-Mar-2011 Food prices surge again in February
** 6-Mar-2011 Saudi Arabia locks down in advance of Friday's 'Day of Rage'
** 10-Mar-2011 The U.S. and Nato stumble toward military intervention in Libya
** 11-Mar-2011 Saif Gaddafi declares all out war on Libya opposition
** 12-Mar-2011 Europeans split on recommending a military no-fly zone over Libya
** 13-Mar-2011 Arab League unanimously requests a no-fly zone over Libya
** 15-Mar-2011 Bahrain uprising becomes explosive as Saudi troops arrive
** 16-Mar-2011 Yemen fighting escalates after Saturday's attack on protesters
** 17-Mar-2011 Saif Gaddafi says his forces will win within 48 hours
"Muammar Gaddafi's forces bombarded Benghazi, the
stronghold of Libya's opposition, on Wednesday, and spread
leaflets around the city suggesting to residents that they give up
the fight against Gaddafi now.
In an interview, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said, "The military
operations are finished. In 48 hours everything will be over. Our
forces are close to Benghazi. Whatever decision is taken [with
respect to the no-fly zone], it will be too late."
The prospect of a Gaddafi victory is causing some tempers to fray,
because no decision is being reached on instituting a no-fly zone
over Libya.
Both BBC and al-Jazeera have been running interviews with people
of Benghazi begging for help. A typical interview, usually of a
young woman, goes something like, "Please don't forget us. We
just want our freedom like everyone else. Please give us a no-fly
zone so that Gaddafi can't kill us.""
** 18-Mar-2011 UN declares war after Gaddafi threatens 'moment of truth'
"Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi's televised speech on
Thursday, threatening that "the moment of truth had come" for
Benghazi, motivated the United Nations Security Council to quickly
approve a resolution permitting "all necessary means" to be used
to prevent the "slaughter of civilians.""
** 20-Mar-2011 U.S. launches operation 'Odyssey Dawn' against Libyan targets
"On Saturday, there were two major themes in the
news. One: The U.S. took the lead in the military attack on Libya,
launching 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles against Gaddafi's missile
and communications sites. Two: U.S. officials stumbled over
themselves to say that the U.S. was not really leading the attack,
except temporarily.
French warplanes carried out the first air strkes on Saturday,
just hours after French President Nicolas Sarkozy announced the
launch of military action against Libya."
** 23-Mar-2011 After massive disarray, Sarkozy announces Nato agreement for Libya
"Late on Tuesday, France's president Nicolas Sarkozy
announced that he and president Barack Obama had reached an
agreement to transfer from the United States to Nato the command
of the military campaign in Libya."
** 25-Mar-2011 Syria's desperate president Assad tries concessions to appease protesters
** 26-Mar-2011 Syrian troops shoot to kill as tens of thousands protest across Syria
"Syrian troops opened fire on demonstrators on Friday,
as tens of thousands of people poured out of the mosques after
midday prayers and staged protests against the government of
president Bashar al-Assad."
** 28-Mar-2011 Libya's rebels sweep towards Tripoli, as Nato reaches some mysterious agreement
** 31-Mar-2011 US deepens involvement in Libya, as rebels suffer decisive reversal
** 5-Apr-2011 Yemen's government appears near collapse, as Obama administration turns its back
** 6-Apr-2011 Bahrain protest movement appears to have been crushed
** 10-Apr-2011 In dramatic reversal, Germany agrees to supply ground troops to Libya
** 12-Apr-2011 Italy fights EU over Tunisian migrants
"Now there's a new bitter dispute over immigrants from
northern Africa. Some 25,000 people, mostly from Tunisia, have
arrived on the Italian island of Lampedusa, usually in overloaded
fishing boats. Recently, migrants from Libya have been arriving
as well. Their purpose is to gain entrance to Italy and the
European Union to seek jobs. The problem has overwhelmed Italy's
resources, and so the Italians requested help from the EU and from
neighboring countries.
When the EU refused, Italy decided to use a "dirty trick." Under
the EU treaties, Italy is allowed to issue travel visas to
visitors, allowing them to travel freely around large parts of
Europe. And so Italy plans to issue 25,000 travel visas to the
25,000 migrants."
** 19-Apr-2011 'Boots on the ground' in Libya
"Muammar Gaddafi's forces are pounding the port city
of Misrata with salvoes of rockets and artillery, including
cluster bombs. Up to 1,000 people are thought to have died there,
80% of them civilians, including children. The logical solution
is for Nato to provide "close air support" to the rebels,
requiring "boots on the ground" in the form of special forces as
forward air controllers to direct air strikes. However,
technically this would require another United Nations Security
Council resolution."
** 20-Apr-2011 Britain and France sending military advisers to Libya
"Britain and France will send military teams to join
the rebels in Benghazi, Libya, to provide advice, logistics and
intelligence training. British Foreign Secretary William Hague
insists that this is not an escalation, and is compliant with the
UN enabling resolution, even though it forbids foreign occupation
forces, since the military teams will not be involved in any
fighting. However, Libya's foreign minister said that the plan
would prolong fighting, and once again called for a
ceasefire."
** 20-Apr-2011 Bahrain riots raise tensions between Iran and Saudi Arabia
** 22-Apr-2011 Russia seeks to cripple Nato through Libya United Nations politics
** 23-Apr-2011 Explosive protests in Syria
"On Friday, tens of thousands of Syrians poured into
the streets after midday prayers in cities across the country and
chanted anti-government slogans, "Freedom, freedom," and "God,
Syria, freedom, that’s all." The government of President Bashar
al-Assad had hoped that the announced ending of the 48 year old
emergency rule law would soothe the protests, but this is a
generational Awakening era for Syria, so that was never going to
happen. At least 90 people were killed and dozens injured when
Syrian security forces fired live bullets and teargas at the
protesters."

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The interesting thing is that the accusation that American bombing in
Libya caused the refugee crisis is exactly backwards. The refugee
crisis had already begun in Tunisia and Libya, with hundreds of
thousands of people pouring into neighboring countries, and thousands
crossing the Mediterranean to Italy. It was this refugee crisis that
caused Libyans to demand a no-fly zone, and for the Arab League to do
the same, after which the UN Security Council passed a resolution.

So the refugee crisis created the demand for the no-fly zone, and the
bombing by the West. A lot of the motivation for the West to get
involved was the fear of a flood of refugees crossing the
Mediterranean, and they hoped to stop that. That didn't work.

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Here's an article from Russian state media:
Russian state media wrote:
> "Five years after the brutal murder of Libya’s leader Muammar
> Gaddafi, the country that was once an oasis of regional stability
> now has two competing governments and is actively being colonized
> by Daesh terrorists as they seek to relocate their headquarters to
> Libya."

> http://sputniknews.com/radio_red_line/2 ... error.html
This is the kind of sheer stupidity that we always get from Russian
media and Russian officials. This "oasis of regional stability" had
hundreds of thousands of refugees flooding into neighboring countries
and across the Mediterranean.

Meanwhile, Russia repeats Hitler by invading and annexing parts of
Ukraine, and then by supporting al-Assad's genocidal extermination of
innocent Sunnis, the way that Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews.

The House Foreign Affairs Committee passed a resolution Wednesday
that accuses al-Assad, Russia and Iran of war crimes, something
that I've been talking about for years. Maybe they've been
reading my web site.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/r ... nel-220134

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