21-Jun-14 WV-Syria destabilizes refugees at WWII levels

[Guest]

How do tidal waves of unskilled and uneducated third world immigrants improve the United States? Answer: they don't. Immigrants used to be on their own, but the last few decades has seen them jump on the government gravy train. TODAY, immigrants take more out of the system than they put in. Immigrants (especially illegals) are bankrupting western countries. And then there is the crime...

I'm not against all immigration, but I think a country has a right to choose who they let in and how many. Immigration today seem to think they have a RIGHT to immigrate to the West-and they don't. Sensible immigration is what the West needs, not open borders. There have also been times in the past when the US has stopped immigration-during times of economic crisis. I think current times qualify as a crisis.

[CrosstimbersOkie]

I bet there was a time in your life when you were unskilled and uneducated. Most of us start out that way.

The flood of "child refugees" which are the subject of the article are children. They have it all ahead of them, skills, education, earnings. If you're worried about social programs. Change them. Eliminate them. As far as the economy goes the US needs young workers or else we become Japan.

[Guest]

James Howard Kunstler had a great article on the weepy narrative being rolled out by the immigrant pundits. I recommend reading the entire article on his website. A few highlights just for you, Okie:

"We could start with the practice — especially popular on National Public Radio — by which illegal immigrants are called “undocumented,” as if some unjust bureaucratic mistake was made in their journey across the border and to blame them for it amounts to persecution. It is really too obvious to belabor, except to say that the cumulative effect of such programmatic lying, day after day, will eventually discredit the basic principles of social justice, if it hasn’t already."

"The popular story is that America was built by immigrants and that therefore everything about immigration is good and leads to a more successful society. This narrative is so devoid of historical context that it should embarrass anyone beyond a second-grade education. In fact, the surplus populations of industrializing European countries were off-loaded onto a more sparsely-populated New World that also happened to be in the throes of rapid industrialization (including industrial farming), offered a lot of cheap land under plain terms, and held a bonanza of untapped resource wealth in everything from timber to iron ore."

"A few things that progressives leave out of the story these days: immigration was rigorously controlled at its ports of entry, and particularly at the height of immigration between the 1880s and the 1920s. A lot of people may have been pouring in from foreign lands, but they were carefully scrutinized on the way in, and not a few were sent back. Secondarily, these immigrants were required to assimilate into a recognizable common culture. There was no handwringing over the question of whether children from Italy or Lithuania should have to learn how to read, write, and speak in the English language. "

"Currently, progressive America is pretending that the conditions of the 19th century still prevail here — boundless material resources and land for the taking — and that we can happily accommodate the overflow from our equally overpopulated neighbors, Mexico and the countries of Central America, any way they can manage to get here. The sentimental approach as represented by The New York Times, is exactly what will prevent the kind of hard choices that national leadership is faced with. "

"It’s rather funny that the presumptive Democratic nominee for president in 2016 titled her current book Hard Choices, because that is the chief pretense of the party she represents. The last thing Hillary wants to do is take a stand on anything, other than her entitlement to live in the White House."

http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/hard-choices/

[Guest]

I bet there was a time in your life when you were unskilled and uneducated. Most of us start out that way.

The flood of "child refugees" which are the subject of the article are children. They have it all ahead of them, skills, education, earnings. If you're worried about social programs. Change them. Eliminate them. As far as the economy goes the US needs young workers or else we become Japan.

With sky high (real) unemployment and dropping wages, the last thing America needs is more immigrants. American immigration policy should not mean open borders. When, and if, America starts to run out of workers, we can open the gates again-just like we did in the past. Until that time, selective immigration is the sensible thing to do. But, then again, what has this government done that has been sensible?

With robots, automation, and computers, the number of workers needed is dropping like a rock. Even Starbucks is developing automated baristas that will eliminate what few jobs that chain provides.

I'm sick and tired of the sob stories about "poor Latino children". What about our own poor? Do they matter at all? How is this tsunami of unskilled and low paid (most likely tax-free/ under the table) workers going to improve the lives of America's poor?

I didn't vote to become part of Mexico. But don't worry, Okie. Your hellish vision of Mexifornia is not going to be derailed. America's political class will do nothing-except flee to Australia when life become unbearable in the United States.

[at99sy]

Here's that handle you're looking for.

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article44022.html

How can a country grow with a declining workforce?

It can't. America's workforce will decline because its workforce is aging. Social programs will decline because the generations coming behind the old people are smaller in number than the old people. Since Americans refuse to have the 2.1 children per couple that economic growth requires, the essential bodies can only come from immigration of young people or euthanization of old people. Or economic/crisis war that kills off the old and the weak.

Pick your poison.

Yes- they are not coming here to work, they have no intention of working; just feeding at the trough with the other parasites and pigs. These "immigrants" are not simply being allowed to come here , they are being strongly encouraged and incentivized(sp) to come here and help the bleed out.

cheers

sy

[CrosstimbersOkie]

The trough is empty. They have no choice but to be productive. As will you soon enough.

You two are wrapped up in politics to the point that you refuse to look at demographics--generation dynamics. Which transcends politics and ideology. You belong over at CNN or MSNBC.

[Guest]

The trough is empty. They have no choice but to be productive. As will you soon enough.

You two are wrapped up in politics to the point that you refuse to look at demographics--generation dynamics. Which transcends politics and ideology. You belong over at CNN or MSNBC.

I suppose you want people to thank you for contributing to the destruction of America.

I have news for you. This is not political. This is economic reality. If the trough is empty, why let in pigs?

[CrosstimbersOkie]

Yes, please do.

[at99sy]

The trough is empty. They have no choice but to be productive. As will you soon enough.

You two are wrapped up in politics to the point that you refuse to look at demographics--generation dynamics. Which transcends politics and ideology. You belong over at CNN or MSNBC.

Politics is a fools game. This is reality. Immigrants are coming here for the free ride just as they are doing to countries all across Europe. It would be wonderful if they came to be productive but they are not producing they are consuming at alarming rates of all commodities including healthcare.

As has been pointed out by many, automation is replacing the workforce. We need more innovators to continue creating new forms of employment for those who are already here. Our country is very close to the tipping point of consumption/production. There are just as many taking as providing. A little shove and we will have to few willing to produce for the majority of parasites.

It is simple math really, if you give families everything they need, and much of what they want, for free then what incentive could they have to work and be productive? Z-E-R-O

cheers
sy

[Guest]

Yes, please do.

I guess you'll be heading down to the border to greet and register the rest of the relatives for welfare...