29-Jan-14 World View - China's military to seize James Shoal

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29-Jan-14 World View - China's military to seize James Shoal

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29-Jan-14 World View -- China's military moves to seize Malaysia's James Shoal

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** 29-Jan-14 World View -- China's military moves to seize Malaysia's James Shoal
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Contents:
Ukraine anti-government protests spread into the east
U.N. Security Council approves EU troops for Central African Republican
Syria's 'peace conference' proceeds as total farce
China's military moves to seize Malaysia's James Shoal


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Generational Dynamics, Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, Mykola Azarov,
Security Council, Central African Republic, France,
Syria, Bashar al-Assad, Lakhdar Brahimi,
China, South China Sea, Malaysia, James Shoal, Zengmu Reef

dadelaw

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A little less qalarmism and right-wing pro-America bias would do you a world of good. You and I have had these conversations before.

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-ne ... l-20140129

NoOneImportant

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I am confused.

To what end would Xinhau report a James Shoal incursion that didn't take place?

Is China acting the "puffer fish" inflating itself to appear bigger than reality; but why, they are all ready certainly the most formidable military force in Asia? Is it to dissuade any prospective US action? Or is it, as might be more likely, to see if the announcement precipitates any US response?

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I'm confused too. Two possibilities:

1. The Xinhua editor misunderstood the situation, but like many young
Chinese people, wants to see China's military start winning battles.

2. Malaysia's navy chief is playing down the report, so that he won't
have to respond.

It looks like there's going to be more to this story.

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dadelaw wrote: > A little less qalarmism and right-wing pro-America bias would do
> you a world of good. You and I have had these conversations
> before.

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-ne ... l-20140129
I don't think that quoting a Reuters report referencing a Xinhua
report is being alarmist.

And your reference to "right wing bias" is a fantasy in your mind:
People on both the right and left are oblivious to what China is
doing, even when China brags about it. Reuters itself tends to be a
left-wing mainstream media source, so it's hardly "right wing bias" to
be quoting Reuters. Or Xinhua for that matter.

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And by the way, China has claimed the James Shoal in the past, through
its famous "nine dash line map." So it's hardly alarmist or
"right-wing bias" to say that China is taking steps that it's
previously said it would take.

NoOneImportant

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dadelaw wrote:
A little less qalarmism and right-wing pro-America bias would do you a world of good.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

This just keeps getting better, and better.

Daily, Asia continues to look more and more like 1937-1939 Europe.

China's continued belligerency only supply's an almost irresistible impetus for Japan to acquire nuclear weapons - if in fact they have not already done so, or perhaps they are currently negotiating India's cooperation to do so. Although it may already be too late for them to make that decision, if not already made.

As Japan already has an established nuclear enrichment capability that deals with both uranium and plutonium - depending upon whether they have the ability to cast, and machine the nuclear metals - a WAG would be 10 to 15 months before Japan has enough highly enriched uranium(HEU) and/or plutonium to effect nuclear devices. Presuming they have not had the foresight to have already started the enrichment to HEU (in 1999 Japan had a criticality accident at the Tokaimura facility, an experimental facility outside of their power generating infrastructure, that was using 20% LEU that logically should not have taken place with LEU.)

Should Japan in the future choose to detonate an above ground test it would send notice to all the world that Japan believes American alliances to be in deed, and in fact worthless. Or, if the Japanese were really shrewd, they would adopt/may already have adopted the Israeli tact: admit to nothing. Do the device fabrication, and ask the Indians to conduct the test(s). It is conceivable, although not probable, that Japan could go from non-nuclear to thermonuclear in a single step.

In fact, all of Asia, but most specifically Japan and India, are rapidly approaching the point where they – really, all of South Asia - must present a unified confrontation to China's aggression, or surrender and let China do as it chooses, where ever it chooses.

Should south Asia choose surrender, it is only a matter of time before China extends their territorial desires beyond Asia – certainly a concern for Australia. As China is in the process of now building a globally significant blue water navy that has no purpose for a parochial China. China will, within 5-7 years, have the instruments (several aircraft carriers, and a minimum of five "boomer" missile subs; an effective blue water navy) to realize, globally, any territorial desires that a territorially aggressive China should desire to effect. Chinese naval adventures in the Mediterranean during Obama's Syrian debacle of last October and November would only have served to re-enforce any Chinese commitment to their deep water navy.

Russia might take note for once south Asia is subdued, Siberia and Mongolia might appear very attractive to China. As John has noted on numerous occasions, China appears to have adopted a tried and true divide and conquer approach in the South China sea. One might ask rhetorically: why would a tool that China found so effective in the South China sea not be effectively used elsewhere?

Obama would be wise to note: "An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last." - a quote from his favorite man: Winston Churchill . But then again, as noted elsewhere, Obama is an arrogant narcissist unqualified for where he has been permitted to put himself, and unfortunately, us also.

dadelaw

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I live in Malaysia and nobody even gives your alarmist talk the time of day. Sorry but they just don't. China bashing and fearmongering is just USA-talk designed to disguise the fact that your beloved country is now bothering us all around this region and stirring up trouble by trying to get everyone around here on its side with their ridiculous Trans Pacific Partnership, the everyone-but-China rouster. Nobody wants it here in Malaysia. Everyone is well aware that it is nothing more than American bullying tactics and a crude effort to pull these countries into line behind that God-awful colossus which will almost certainly provoke War 3 against China. But you would NEVER see things that way, would you? Right-wing? Oh yes, even the most left-wing liberals are right-wing fascists viewed from a global perspective. Your country is the most dangerous nation ever to grace the face of the earth. Nothing remotely compares in history.

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Ah, a dedicated Obama voter.

Perhaps we should ask the Filipinos what they think; or perhaps the Indians, for if the Indians are unconcerned, to what end have they developed and tested a nuclear capable missile capable of hitting all of China; or perhaps we should ask the Vietnamese http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... index.html who might see things a bit differently; or alternately maybe we should query the Japanese to see if they see things as you do; and while we're at it maybe we might inquire of the South Koreans, and ask their opinion?

So to be sure that I understand: you believe that the Chinese should at their discretion seize all the islands in the South China Sea, unilaterally, without regard to current, and past ownership. And when they - the Chinese - have done that and they seek to seize additional areas, that too is also all right with you, so long as they don't bother you?

Perhaps you should read the quote in the final paragraph of my last... no, no let me make it easy for you, just in case you missed it: "An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last." - Winston Churchill; or conceivably this is more apropos: “The blood lust of a tyrant may never be satiated, only defeated.” – Winston Churchill

Enjoy your freedom while you may, for those who think like you will assure that you will not enjoy it long.

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dadelaw wrote: > I live in Malaysia and nobody even gives your alarmist talk the
> time of day. Sorry but they just don't. China bashing and
> fearmongering is just USA-talk designed to disguise the fact that
> your beloved country is now bothering us all around this region
> and stirring up trouble by trying to get everyone around here on
> its side with their ridiculous Trans Pacific Partnership, the
> everyone-but-China rouster. Nobody wants it here in
> Malaysia. Everyone is well aware that it is nothing more than
> American bullying tactics and a crude effort to pull these
> countries into line behind that God-awful colossus which will
> almost certainly provoke War 3 against China. But you would NEVER
> see things that way, would you? Right-wing? Oh yes, even the most
> left-wing liberals are right-wing fascists viewed from a global
> perspective. Your country is the most dangerous nation ever to
> grace the face of the earth. Nothing remotely compares in
> history.
Dadelaw:

1. Malaysia has good relations with India, which is China's mortal
enemy.

2. Chinese Malaysians make up about 24% of the population, and
are a wealthy market-dominant minority, versus the poor
Malay/indigenous majority (61%).

So I'm going to take a guess that if you live in Malaysia, saying what
you're saying, then you must be in the 24% Chinese minority, and that
you personally don't get along very well with the Malay majority, who
are probably your servants.

So you can whine about the United States all you want, but your real
enemies are India and the indigenous peoples of Malaysia. All that
the U.S. wants to do is keep you from killing each other.

John

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