14-Sep-13 World View -- Ban Ki-moon tells truth about Syria

[John]

14-Sep-13 World View -- Ban Ki-moon accidentally tells the truth about Syria

Russia elated by its diplomatic victory on Syria

** 14-Sep-13 World View -- Ban Ki-moon accidentally tells the truth about Syria
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e130914



Contents:
Syria discussion on Framingham Mass. TV on Sunday
Ban Ki-moon accidentally tells the truth about Syria
Russia elated by its diplomatic victory on Syria
Reports: Assad's troops dispersing them throughout Syria
The Way the World Works


Keys:
Generational Dynamics, Syria, Bashar al-Assad,
United Nations, Ban Ki-moon, Russia, Vladimir Putin,
John Kerry, Edward Snowden

[NoOneImportant]

Regarding how the world works.

Those who believe that Putin's victories this week mean the world is a safer place should understand that the opposite is true. The Syria debacle has made the world a much more dangerous place. That's the way the world works.

As Hitler misjudged Chamberlain, so shall one of the rogue nations eventually misjudge Obama, as was alluded to in the article - thus we are less safe. Once Hitler invaded Poland Hitler had no more implacable enemy in the British government, albeit too late, than Chamberlain who in fact after Poland rebuffed German peace overtures. In our world, to attribute the appearance of both Russian and Chinese ships in the Med to anything other than coordinated action would be reckless. To believe that the North Koreans, Chinese, Iranians, and Russians will dispense with a known effective tool - coordinated power politics - makes little sense from their perspective. The difficulty is that the Syrian extravaganza has gone far toward convincing the world that Obama is not just weak, but in Syria he appeared to be incapable of effective action without broadcasting his intentions when dealing with complex political difficulties. The danger is: just as Kennedy's weakness at the Bay of Pigs led directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis, so too will a belief in Obama's weakness, as displayed in Syria, invite similar adventurism elsewhere in the world by the rogues, and predictably with coordinated action. The ultimate question is: does Obama have the skill, once a future logger head crisis develops, to use covert or overt power to protect us and our allies, or will his response be capitulation as in Syria or blowing up the world? His ego would appear to be unable to fathom any other course of action. The events of Syria would suggest that he does not have those skills; and that conclusion is not lost on either our adversaries, or our friends in a world that becomes more dangerous by the day.

In Syria we have been given a rare look at classical brinksmanship; one side executed by a Cold War warrior, pitted against one who doesn't understand how things work. That situation is very very dangerous for all. From a generational point of view Putin lived through much of the Cold War - he saw Czechoslovakia, Hungary, the Berlin Wall, Cuba, Afghanistan, Chechnya, the Six Day War, Yom Kippur, et al - in short he has been a witness and participant to confrontation, multiple wars, and power politics all of his life. Obama lived through none of those Cold War events, and has only experiences of dealing with those who have been constrained to "play nice," and give him things all of his life. In this light, why would anyone expect any outcome other than what has come to pass in Syria.

Neither war nor international power politics gives a damn about niceties, they are about winning - death and destruction are a primary part of their tool box, the "magic" consists in not blowing up the world while you get what you want, as Putin did in Syria. Obama might be visualized as a rookie cop confronting a thug who is assaulting someone; the cop's first response is to tell the thug to stop assaulting they guy; the cop is then surprised when the thug disregards him; the cop thinks: "... doesn't he know that I have a gun..."; the cop's just like Obama, he's just not exactly sure what to do with the gun now that the thug won't listen. It makes no difference what weapons you have if you don't have the will to use them. The lost lesson of the Cold War, and specifically the Cuban Missile Crisis was that direct confrontation can, through miscalculation, lead to a nuclear exchange - mutual destruction - so avoid direct confrontations; either act without notice, or keep your mouth shut and act covertly. If direct confrontation is out what do we do? We come to the same conclusion that the Cold Warriors of the 50s, 60s, and 70s came to: proxie wars, and toppling undesirable governments. Those very things that made both Obama, and Kerry hate us so - so now it's their turn.

[at99sy]

John, I like your repeated references to the great leader as community organizer Obama. It recognizes the fact that this man is not a leader and is certainly not acting like the President of the United States. He has essentially become the bitch to which ever leader has the stones to make him a fool in front of the world.
His VP and Sec. of State are equal parts buffoon, traitor, and coward.

C.O.O is much like the geeky kid who was always told how brilliant he was and gets his ass kicked the first day of school, then his handlers tell him it was because he is so much smarter than the other kids. Eventually he keeps getting smacked around and his anger builds up until he finally goes ape crazy and explodes. Obama just may unleash the Kraken once he is finally tired of getting humiliated in front of his worshipers.

cheers

sy

[John]

John Kerry and Russia's Sergei Lavrov gave a joint press conference
at 6 am ET this morning. I assume that the 6 am time was chosen
in the hope that no Americans would hear it, since it was so
embarrassing. I transcribed the first three minutes of it,
which was the first part of John Kerry's statement:

> I'm particularly grateful to Sergei Lavrov who stayed extra time
> from what he had originally planned, hoping we'd finish sooner,
> and this gave us additional opportunity to be able to work through
> some of the issues.

> I especially wanna thank the cooperative effort of Sergei Lavrov,
> who has worked hard and his entire delegation, including teams of
> the world's foremost chemical weapons experts, who have joined us
> here for the important discussions that we've had over the last
> two days.

> Two weeks ago made the decision that because of the egregious use
> of chemical weapons in Syria against innocent Syrian citizens,
> women and children, all indiscriminately murdered in the night
> that claimed the lives even of people trying to rescue people, he
> believed it was critical for the world to say "No more."

> The president made the difficult decision that after multiple
> warnings, it was his decision that the time had come to take
> military action to deter future use of such weapons.

> But he also made the decision that we needed to take time to
> enlist the support of the congress and the American people, and I
> have no doubt that the combination of the threat of force, and the
> willingness to pursue diplomacy helped to bring us to this moment.

> But diplomacy requires willing partners, and I wanna thank
> President Putin for his willingness to pick up on the possibility
> of negotiating an ended to Syrian weapons of mass destruction.
> His willingness to embrace ideas for how to accomplish this goal,
> and his willingness to send foreign minister Lavrov here to pursue
> 12:03 this effort was essential to getting to this point.

> And I wanna thank Sergei Lavrov for his diligent efforts and the
> efforts of his entire delegation who worked hard and in good faith
> to overcome difficulties and even disagreements. In order to try
> to find a way through tireless efforts to get us where we are
> today."

It's good to see that Sergei Lavrov was effusively thanked several
times for his magnificent effort of staying an extra day to fully make
fools of the U.S. administration once again. I wouldn't want Lavrov
to think that his magnificent efforts were not appreciated by John
Kerry. John Kerry also expressed thanks to Vladimir Putin for sending
the magnificant Lavrov to meet with Kerry. I was disappointed,
though, that Kerry never took a moment to thank Bashar al-Assad for
his magnificent efforts as well.

As for the terms of the agreement, as I understand them, they are as
follows:

• The U.S. completely backs down on its threats of violence. Those
  ships in the Mediterranean Sea can all go home.
• Bashar al-Assad is supposed to produce a list of all his chemical
  weapons within seven days.
• There are supposed to be U.N. inspectors on the ground sometime in
  November.
• All of al-Assad's chemical weapons will be destroyed or removed by
  mid-2014.
• If anything goes wrong, the U.N. Security Council will debate it
  (where Lavrov has a veto). There is a "commitment to impose
  measures," such as sanctions. Typical measures in the past have been
  to threaten to hold another meeting.

The Obama administration is taking credit for this agreement, saying
that the threats of military intervention, as well as all the
flip-flops and gaffes, were actually done on purpose, just to bring
this agreement about. Well, we'll have to see if any of the terms of
this agreement will be implemented.

Reports indicate that now that the threat of American force has ended,
Syria's air force is doubling its attacks with conventional weapons.

Russia's 2011 strategy of using the United Nations to cripple the Obama
administration and American policy is continuing to succeed
spectacularly.

[gerald]

Incompetence in leadership sometimes has to be exhibited time and again until it is recognized for what it is, by those who wish to be blind.
Kind of like a husband with a cheating wife who does not want to believe what he is told until he catches his wife in their bed with another man.

[gerald]

http://tarpley.net/docs/20130915-ISTeam ... Report.pdf

Independent'Investigation'of'Syria'Chemical'Attack'Videos'and'Child'Abductions

pdf with video links

such as " Using photo of Rabiha al Adawiya Square in Cairo as victims of chemical attacks in Syria"

or

"Ghouta chemical weapons massacre videos preceded attack"

There appear to be many interesting questions that need answers. After all there have been false flags staged to start wars.

This reminds me of the Russian revolution, where there were various sides, each making claims about the others and the ignorant peasants were lead and used a cannon fodder. Many died uselessly and many times for little reason. Is Syria any different? What are we to believe? Who do we trust? Few seem to care about the truth. Whatever that is. hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[John]

"Ghouta chemical weapons massacre videos preceded attack"

Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Aleksandr Lukashevich, has
claimed that the chemical weapons attack was planned and carried out
by opponents of Syria's president Bashar al-Assad. As evidence, he
points to videos of the attack that were posted several hours earlier
than the actual attack. However, it's now believed that Lukashevich
became confused because he relied on the time stamps on the YouTube
videos, and the time stamps are always based on California time. The
attack occurred early on Wednesday morning in Syria, while it was
still Tuesday in California.

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