10-Jun-13 WV-The deafening silence after Xi/Obama summit

[John]

10-Jun-13 World View -- The deafening silence following the Xi/Obama summit

George W. Obama


** 10-Jun-13 World View -- The deafening silence following the Xi/Obama summit
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ ... tm#e130610


Contents:
The deafening silence following the Xi Jinping / Barack Obama summit
George W. Obama


Keys:
Generational Dynamics, China, Xi Jinping, North Korea,
Tom Donilon, South China Sea, Syria,
George W. Obama

[Thorrarin]

I'm not sure that these two statements are compatible:

So if thousands of financial institutions caused the financial crisis by creating tens of trillions of dollars in fraudulent securities, then of course the IRS is going to perform its own version of fraud and extortion. The same is going to be true at other government agencies. Why would anyone believe anything else?

That's ironic, because from what I understand the technical details of the operation of Prism to be, and unlike the IRS targeting of Obama's enemies, the American public appears to be protected, and the program provides a powerful and valuable service in protecting America from terrorist attacks. Regarding Prism, the real crime is that it was made public by another left-wing nutcase.

We are to believe that all government agencies, large corporations and most economic institutions are rife with fraud and abuse, but somehow a massive surveillance program by the NSA was only used by people with impeccable reputations and the purest of intentions? Color me skeptical. I have no doubt they reeled in numerous small fish bad guys, and possibly some sloppy bigger fish. But, is anybody surprised that this has been going on? If any of us are not surprised this has been going on, how likely is it that some terrorists are also not surprised that this is going on, and already actively working to avoid this? No wall is impenetrable. If they are not already abusing this power (which I find supremely unlikely), then they will at some point. I'd also say that since they won't talk about it, we're not sure what their success rate actually is. However, we do know that the Times Square Bomber, Boston Bombers, Fort Hood Shooter, Little Rock Recruitment Shooter, Underwear Bomber, and Richard Reid all passed through this little security net of theirs.

With regards to the white house meeting between Barack Obama and Xi Jinping, your speculation of the discussion issues seems spot on. Though, I'd venture to say, with China's complete infiltration of our systems, we probably don't need to speculate. I'm sure there's a full recording of the meeting in the P.L.A. Unit 61398 building.

[John]

Well, you're right that the NSA program could be abused.

But let's put abuse aside for the moment, and ask if we need the IRS
and the NSA programs. Well, we all hate taxes but we still need the
IRS, and we all hate terrorists, so we still need the NSA.

Yes, the NSA program could be abused, but I would argue that that ship
has already sailed with the IRS. You have people in the IRS targeting
their political enemies and possibly their personal enemies as well,
with access to tax returns, bank data, credit card transactions, and
soon, doctors visits, prescriptions, medical copayments, and so forth.

So I would argue that once the abusers have all the IRS data, then
giving them my phone bill as well is not that big a deal. In other
words, we're not comparing the war against terror versus NSA abuse.
What we're comparing is the war against terror versus the INCREMENTAL
NSA abuse, given the abuse of the IRS data.

I guess I also believe that there are more protections in place for
the NSA data than for the IRS data. Snowden was an IT guy, and those
guys almost always have access to everything, which would not be true
of an ordinary employee.