26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fantasy

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26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fantasy

Postby John » Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:44 pm

26-Dec-12 World View -- Andrew Sullivan and the Gun Control Fantasy



The Metastasis of Corruption and Violence

** 26-Dec-12 World View -- Andrew Sullivan and the Gun Control Fantasy
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?xct=gd.e121226#e121226




Contents:
The Gun Control Fantasy
Andrew Sullivan's proposed solution to gun violence
The Metastasis of Corruption and Violence


Keys:
Generational Dynamics, Gun control, Prohibition,
NRA, Andrew Sullivan, Gabrielle Giffords, Sarah Palin,
Teamsters, James Hoffa, Steven Crowder, Adam Lanza,
Occupy Wall Street, OWS, Julian Assange, CNN,
Piers Morgan, Metastasis of Corruption, George Soros,
Fox News, Facebook, Sandy Hook, Lt. J. Paul Vance,
Lost Generation, Missionary Generation,
Holocaust, "Jew Lover", Kristallnacht moment,
Pakistan, Taliban, Malala Yousufzai,
Germany, Martin Niemöller

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Re: 26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fan

Postby NoOneImportan » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:48 pm

Giffords is from Tuscon, AZ, not Colorado.

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Re: 26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fan

Postby John » Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:49 pm

NoOneImportan wrote:Giffords is from Tuscon, AZ, not Colorado.


Thanks for the correction. I'll fix it tonight.

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Re: 26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fan

Postby NoOneImportant » Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:14 pm

Bravo!!!

The Martin Niemoller, Nuremberg quote does not get cited often enough. Those who seek to put into effect the institutional mechanism for the use force to mute dissent are always surprised when they become the object of that repression and execution.

Robespierre both started and ended the French Revolution's Reign of Terror, as its final execution. Robespierre, as he who started the river of French blood flowing, he is one of history's most notable examples of those who used force to silence dissent being eaten by the force they put into effect - and for benefit of the Left, always remember Leon Trotsky, and those "wonderful" purges of Stalin; purges that almost cost Russia the Second World War. But, of course, those who would repress others always believe that the mechanism of force, and the resulting executions are: "for those we don't like, not for me." - let those without enemies raise their hand.

Can't cite Rev Niemoller's quote often enough as, initially, he was a staunch advocate of the Nazis - needless to say by the time the Nuremberg trials rolled around, after years of incarceration in the concentration camps his enthusiasm was somewhat more muted. The founders understood the problem quite clearly, thus the First Amendment to the Constitution. If you permit them to get anybody, they will eventually come for you!!!!!

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Re: 26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fan

Postby Trevor » Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:15 pm

Well, it's going to be a long time before any of them come to their senses. The left is quite happy with this turn of events and so is the media, or at least they don't care enough to actually report on all of this. When I watch most of the programs, I don't hear a word about the violence currently going on. I think it would take actually killing someone for some to come to their senses and even then, they might still say: "He deserved what he got."

The only thing I'm wondering is why there hasn't been a response from the right.

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Re: 26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fan

Postby gerald » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:02 pm

Trevor wrote:Well, it's going to be a long time before any of them come to their senses. The left is quite happy with this turn of events and so is the media, or at least they don't care enough to actually report on all of this. When I watch most of the programs, I don't hear a word about the violence currently going on. I think it would take actually killing someone for some to come to their senses and even then, they might still say: "He deserved what he got."

The only thing I'm wondering is why there hasn't been a response from the right.


Sometimes,the pot slowly simmers, comes to a rapid boil, and puts out the stove.

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Re: 26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fan

Postby NoOneImportant » Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:55 pm

Trevor wrote:
[quote][/quote]The only thing I'm wondering is why there hasn't been a response from the right.[quote]

The right is simply out buying ammo, and loading up.

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Re: 26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fan

Postby gerald » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:13 pm

NoOneImportant wrote:Trevor wrote:
The only thing I'm wondering is why there hasn't been a response from the right.

The right is simply out buying ammo, and loading up.


A tipping point?

blogger-retaliates-against-paper-that-published-gun-owner-addresses-by-creating-interactive-map-of-its-employees

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/blogger ... employees/

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Re: 26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fan

Postby OLD1953 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:07 am

Personally, I think that 310 million figure is too low, but that's me..

What the answer is for the US problems of gun violence, I don't know. I do know that people are wanting security now, and they'll insist that government do something, effective or not. The issue with armed guards is simple enough, who pays? School budgets are already strained to the limit, so who bells that particular cat?

And there's another thing too, how effective is an armed guard against a surprise attack? And the best I can do for that is to say, not very effective, given experience in Iraq and entirely too many people I've spoken with who were in groups that got shot up, all well armed and waiting for trouble. The same seems to hold in the US as well, given stories like this one hit the news every few days:

http://news.yahoo.com/three-jersey-poli ... 30961.html

Besides which, there's two issues here that get much discussion and fall apart whenever there's a mass shooting. The first is just how much we are willing to pay for security. The number of armed guards and police in the US is getting to be astronomical. Just how much of the GDP can go to security before it all collapses? By security I don't mean the separate figures you see such as "homeland security" or FBI or military spending and so forth. The total is everything from private security guards to prisons to military to the Treasury and DC cops to state police to the local sheriff to federal marshals to bag checkers at the airport and the guy at the gate for large businesses and ten thouand other items. There's so much of it that getting a total figure is nearly impossible. A LOT of spending claimed to be other things breaks down to have a security element included.

And that brings us to the second issue. Just how much of a police state are you willing to live in? When an armed guard is watching over you every minute of the day, just how much freedom do you really have? Maybe I'm oversensitive to this because that's how I've lived for the last few years, but it does get old, even if you like the individual people doing the watching.

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Re: 26-Dec-12 World View - Andrew Sullivan / Gun Control Fan

Postby gerald » Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:29 pm

gun control issue continuation from Zero Hedge http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-12-3 ... -interview (as an understatement, zero hedge has a few readers )

from a comment post


Sun, 12/30/2012 - 12:10 | 3106564nmewn

So you're saying, the People are ultimately responsible for the crooked deals, misdeeds and incompetence of government?

Well there's an interesting twist on reality.

We have relative paupers enter the Senate and emerge years later as millionaires, so what are the odds of them sharing their accumulation of wealth while a "public servant" with the People? Government debt works the same way in my book.

Its all theirs.

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And another thing (while I'm on this personal responsibility thingy) what's up with a fucking newspaper publishing the names and addresses of LEGAL gun owners?

Well...whats good for the goose is good for the gander:

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