18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on Japan

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18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on Japan

Postby John » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:56 pm

18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on Japan, and sends 1,000 boat flotilla

Quote: 'There won't be a war because it's bad for business!'


** 18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on Japan, and sends 1,000 boat flotilla
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?xct=gd.e120918#e120918



Contents:
Japan bolsters defenses as 1,000 Chinese fishing boats approach
China declares economic war on Japan
Chinese Communist Party urges punitive sanctions against Japan
Quote: 'There won't be a war because it's bad for business!'
Should we defend Japan against China?


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Generational Dynamics, China, Japan, Senkaku Islands,
Diaoyu Islands, Truman Doctrine

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Re: 18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on J

Postby Reality Check » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:36 am

John wrote:18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on Japan ...


I believe between the sending armed ships, sending fishing boats, and attacking Japanese property and citizens in China,

It is more correct to limit it to simply: "China declares war on Japan."

What this is really about appears to be running a trial balloon up and seeing if the Japanese government or the Obama administration volunteers to appease China before a shot is even fired.

The United States has a treaty obligation to Japan, but if Obama equivocates on that in anyway, it will be a green light for China to expand in every direction by military aggression.

Worked great for the Germans before September, 1939.

And the bad news is, if Obama is reelected and goes the predictable appeasement route, we can not just throw him out when the appeasement blows up, we will still be stuck with him for the full eight years.

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Re: 18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on J

Postby JULLIEN1 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:59 pm

There won't be a war because it's bad for business, and the business owners on both sides will make sure that there won't be a war

Where did we hear before ?
Here perhaps :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Angell

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Re: 18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on J

Postby Guest » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:25 pm

Why would China seek to provoke Japan, its largest Asian rival?

Perhaps it is because only Japan has the capacity to challenge China's proclaimed dominion over all of the South China Sea, not the Philippines, or Vietnam.

There are two questions that arise: why now, and why Japan?

As to the why now: internal strife within China has been simmering for a number of years with thousands of riots that go unreported occurring yearly. So why would China chose now to press their international needs/desires regarding the S. China Sea. Elsewhere I cited China's desire to redirect that internal strife caused by the immediate internal difficulties of a declining dollar, rising unemployment, and a slowing/declining economy to an external "enemy". Another commenter additionally cited land, women, and resources as additional reasons for China's not easily resolved problems. While land and resources are gradual issues and have been present for some time in China; the lack of marriage aged women is an immediate, acute, and self-inflicted cultural difficulty that will become more pronounced over time, as a generation of men mature who have no suitable women for marriage. War has been used for generations as a method of unifying a disparate population, and it is certainly one avenue to resolve the problem of an excess of males, while at the same time preparing to achieve future extra-territorial claims. With the U.S. Naval power preoccupied with Iran - 4 carrier groups - perhaps China believes that now is the time to "remove" the U.S. presence in Asia.

With regard as to why Japan: to assert China's claim over the S. China Sea China must subordinate Japan. While Japan has large economic interests in China, China no longer feels the "need" for, nor domination of those Japanese interests. If China can subordinate Japan "peacefully", China essentially obviates the U.S. defense commitment to Japan, and prospectively with all of Asia. If successful, it will make those who are allied with the U.S. world wide question the defense commitments of the U.S.; each asking themselves: are the U.S.'s defense commitment in fact worthless. Once that is achieved, China can undermine each of her minor adversaries one at a time - first in Asia, then prospectively further afield.

NoOneImportant

Re: 18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on J

Postby NoOneImportant » Tue Sep 18, 2012 5:28 pm

Obama is learning what Jimmy Carter learned: weakness only emboldens evil.

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Re: 18-Sep-12 World View -- China declares economic war on J

Postby NoOneImportant » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:13 am

Two additional observations regarding China's actions: China has assured an Asian arms race; and a nuclear Japan - although like Israel perhaps a surreptitious nuclear Japan.

Japan has long had nuclear reprocessing capability, and thus essentially has the ability to create a nuclear arsenal at will.


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