Nuclear War

John
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Re: Nuclear War

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** 11-Feb-2021 World View: Orthodox Christian beliefs
Cool Breeze wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:46 pm
> Really quickly, John you said "We know from the Bible that Jesus
> expected to return soon, at least within the lives of his
> apostles. So he was wrong about that."

> You started off with an incorrect statement; this premise is not
> true. You then went into some bizarre multi paragraph assumption
> of what I, or people like me (?) believe, none of which are true
> either. Then you made some link with logic within that bizarre
> story line. If you have a question about what I believe or what my
> take is, just ask me. None of what you said or suggested in that
> post is true, or accurate. That's pretty unfortunate. I regret
> that you don't know the teachings of the orthodox church either,
> which may be another reason why you despair, though you shouldn't
> since you have many gifts from God that are amazing, wonderful and
> eternal.
Well, irrespective of how you interpret Jesus' words, if what you're
telling me is that you don't believe in the imminence of the Second
Coming, then I am truly startled. I have interpreted many of your
posts as expressing devotion to Orthodox Christianity, and so I
assumed that you believed in the imminence of the Second Coming, since
that doctrine is a core belief of Orthodox Christian theology.

http://www.orthodoxchristian.info/pages/Parousia.htm

But if you're saying that you don't believe in the Second Coming, then
since you're the Voice of Reason that would be consistent with your
posts on other subjects, since the Second Coming has failed to occur
for almost two millennia, despite repeated predictions of its
imminence for all those centuries, so by your logic about GD you would
have to conclude that there will be no Second Coming.

However, as the Voice of Reason, you should not confuse your rejection
of the Second Coming with the GD conclusion that there will be one or
two world wars this century. As I've said before, there is absolutely
no historical evidence to support the belief in the Second Coming, but
there is a huge amount of historical evidence in support of expecting
world wars. As the Voice of Reason, you should understand that.

Conversely, if you DO believe in the Second Coming, then as the Voice
of Reason you would also have to believe in the GD predictions of war,
because of the massive historical evidence.

Higgenbotham
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Re: Nuclear War

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FullMoon wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:30 pm
I agree with you Higg. It's an intellectual debate until you get the feeling. For me it's a combination of dread and fear. And I keep trying to rationalize it away. But last year was kind of like and in-your-face experience. Where and how the bombs fall is immaterial to the fact that fundamental changes are at hand and leaving our lives in the hands of bureaucrats who've led us to this point isn't prudent. But it's a difficult job to accomplish.
It's also like the 5 stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. No matter what people say, this crisis is coming.
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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Re: Nuclear War

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Vladimir Putin At Davos Online Forum – Transcript
All this is inevitably affecting the nature of international relations and is not making them more stable or predictable. International institutions are becoming weaker, regional conflicts are emerging one after another, and the system of global security is deteriorating.

Klaus has mentioned the conversation I had yesterday with the US President on extending the New START. This is, without a doubt, a step in the right direction. Nevertheless, the differences are leading to a downward spiral. As you are aware, the inability and unwillingness to find substantive solutions to problems like this in the 20th century led to the WWII catastrophe.

Of course, such a heated global conflict is impossible in principle, I hope. This is what I am pinning my hopes on, because this would be the end of humanity. However, as I have said, the situation could take an unexpected and uncontrollable turn – unless we do something to prevent this.
https://www.eurasiareview.com/27012021- ... ranscript/
While the periphery breaks down rather slowly at first, the capital cities of the hegemon should collapse suddenly and violently.

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Re: Nuclear War

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Higgy, thanks for the link.

I don't see anything there but lip service from Mr. Putin, as it is my belief that he is just playing the international crowd for its already strong ties to such disgusting people (via its elite) as Schwab. I could be wrong, he might be some sort of crypto globalist, but I highly doubt it. Again, I assign a very small % chance to this viewpoint. I think one can read through the lines that he sees conflict as MUCH more likely than some idiotic Agenda put forth by pussies like Schwab and Gates.

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Re: Nuclear War

Post by Cool Breeze »

John wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:02 pm
** 11-Feb-2021 World View: Orthodox Christian beliefs
Cool Breeze wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:46 pm
> Really quickly, John you said "We know from the Bible that Jesus
> expected to return soon, at least within the lives of his
> apostles. So he was wrong about that."

> You started off with an incorrect statement; this premise is not
> true. You then went into some bizarre multi paragraph assumption
> of what I, or people like me (?) believe, none of which are true
> either. Then you made some link with logic within that bizarre
> story line. If you have a question about what I believe or what my
> take is, just ask me. None of what you said or suggested in that
> post is true, or accurate. That's pretty unfortunate. I regret
> that you don't know the teachings of the orthodox church either,
> which may be another reason why you despair, though you shouldn't
> since you have many gifts from God that are amazing, wonderful and
> eternal.
Well, irrespective of how you interpret Jesus' words, if what you're
telling me is that you don't believe in the imminence of the Second
Coming, then I am truly startled. I have interpreted many of your
posts as expressing devotion to Orthodox Christianity, and so I
assumed that you believed in the imminence of the Second Coming, since
that doctrine is a core belief of Orthodox Christian theology.

http://www.orthodoxchristian.info/pages/Parousia.htm

But if you're saying that you don't believe in the Second Coming, then
since you're the Voice of Reason that would be consistent with your
posts on other subjects, since the Second Coming has failed to occur
for almost two millennia, despite repeated predictions of its
imminence for all those centuries, so by your logic about GD you would
have to conclude that there will be no Second Coming.

However, as the Voice of Reason, you should not confuse your rejection
of the Second Coming with the GD conclusion that there will be one or
two world wars this century. As I've said before, there is absolutely
no historical evidence to support the belief in the Second Coming, but
there is a huge amount of historical evidence in support of expecting
world wars. As the Voice of Reason, you should understand that.

Conversely, if you DO believe in the Second Coming, then as the Voice
of Reason you would also have to believe in the GD predictions of war,
because of the massive historical evidence.
Again, why don't you just ask me what I believe, as opposed to going through these hypotheticals, which aren't very helpful. Of course, it would take too much time to rightly discuss the parousia (appearance) and the orthodox view on it. The Gospel is clear that no one knows when this appearance will again take place, and there is an underlying reason, and that is (the real teaching here) to be vigilant. It basically is a warning to live life as you should, which we all fail at, and create excuses for, etc. Similarly, any wise man will tell you that you should always live with virtue and not foolishly, as you don't know when you will die. It is a similar concept.

Next, I do expect world wars, and I agree with you on many things - I just don't know why you are so emphatic on certain things rather than being open to the mysteries of life. We all like to have takes, opinions, make predictions, etc. And we should all be mature and accountable to those, or explain ourselves. That is all.

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