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A different angle on pollution --
Nature does what nature does, and man can be irrelevant.
The smoking hills of the Northwest Territory, Canada, on the Arctic Ocean. They may have been burning for 10,000 years

http://www.springerlink.com/content/t40755xw88042843/

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Below is the image at: http://www.dustysensor.ca/2007/photoblog/smoking-hills/

This is a scary scenerio, let's hope it stays a bad fantasy ..
http://www.helium.com/items/1882339-doo ... ling-event
gerald

John, your historical analogy is powerful and to the point!

John wrote:The story goes that when the Muslims were approaching the center of
Constantinople in 1453 for the final conquest of the Byzantine Empire,
the people of the Senate were having a lengthy political debate about
whether angels were male or female. They were still arguing when the
Ottomans reached them and killed them.

Today we're seeing the same thing. To argue about climate change at
a time when we're close to a worldwide financial crash and a world
war is just one of the many insanities in today's world.

Next month there's going to be a climate change conference in
Copenhage that will continue the farce.

** Politicians are gloomy about reaching climate deal in Copenhagen. Awwwwwwwwww!
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 12#e091112

** After a week of foreign policy disasters, President Obama's entire program is adrift
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 28#e090928

** Food crisis suddenly becomes a top media issue
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 30#e080430

** The global warming fad is becoming the enemy of food production.
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... d#e070716d

** UN Climate Change conference reaches a compromise agreement
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 16#e071216

** UN Climate Change conference appears to be ending in farce
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... b#e071214b

** Ban Ki Moon blames Darfur genocide on global warming
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 19#e070619

** Kyoto protocol dead as European countries fail to comply
** http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi ... 04#e060104

John

Our environment is more complex then we think. An interesting historical observation.

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Disco ... s_999.html

Ah, so we need to pump more sulfur dioxide into the air to cool things off a bit. What's a little acid rain?

When I was a child, I was interested in dinosaurs, and learning about dinosaurs I learned that the Earth had gome through periods of climate change, so when everyone was getting upset about climate change my thoughts was "Well, that's what the Earth does."

But isn't a warmer Earth a good thing? If you're worried about potential sea levels rising, move or don't live on the coast, or move inland to live on the new coast, but in warmer temperatures, life florishes, plants in particular. And, I have observed that the tropics are a favored vacation spot, so who other than tropical tourists locations would object to a year long tropical Earth? Why do retired seniors migrate to Florida every winter?

And on the question of the "devastation" of the polar bear populution I posed this question to the Polar Bears International organization, that to my dismay was not actually founded and ran by polar bears:

On your page "Polar Bear Evolution", it states that:

"Scientists believe that the polar bear evolved from a group of brown bears that became isolated by glaciers in an area near Siberia. The stranded bears underwent a rapid series of evolutionary changes in order to survive on the ice. Today's polar bear is superbly adapted to life in the Arctic."

In other words, northern brown bears became threatened by climate change--global cooling and the resultant growing of the ice cap. While many brown bears most likely died by not being able to adapt, some did adapt that enabled them to survive their changing enviroment, thus leading to the Polar Bear. So, if a technical savvy human society had existed 200,000 years ago, would groups such as yours advocate the protection of northern brown bears from climate change (natural or manmade), and thus possibly avert the evolution of Polar Bears?

They thanked me for my "thought provoking" question.

John wrote:The story goes that when the Muslims were approaching the center of
Constantinople in 1453 for the final conquest of the Byzantine Empire,
the people of the Senate were having a lengthy political debate about
whether angels were male or female. They were still arguing when the
Ottomans reached them and killed them.

Today we're seeing the same thing. To argue about climate change at
a time when we're close to a worldwide financial crash and a world
war is just one of the many insanities in today's world.

Next month there's going to be a climate change conference in
Copenhage that will continue the farce.
John

I love you use of the Muslim senate to get your point across. I agree, we are going to be still talking about climate change long after there is anything to talk about. The only way that we can change is by action, not by discussing the actions. If we were to truly want to tackle this, or any problem, we would stop talking and follow the lead of those who take action.

Dear Sarah,

Just to clarify, the Senate was the Byzantine Empire Senate, and the
senators would probably have been Christian Orthodox Greeks. The
Muslims were the Ottoman invaders.

Welcome to the forum. You've had a busy day, haven't you?

John

sarahS4621 wrote:

John wrote:The story goes that when the Muslims were approaching the center of
Constantinople in 1453 for the final conquest of the Byzantine Empire,
the people of the Senate were having a lengthy political debate about
whether angels were male or female. They were still arguing when the
Ottomans reached them and killed them.

Today we're seeing the same thing. To argue about climate change at
a time when we're close to a worldwide financial crash and a world
war is just one of the many insanities in today's world.

Next month there's going to be a climate change conference in
Copenhage that will continue the farce.
John

I love you use of the Muslim senate to get your point across. I agree, we are going to be still talking about climate change long after there is anything to talk about. The only way that we can change is by action, not by discussing the actions. If we were to truly want to tackle this, or any problem, we would stop talking and follow the lead of those who take action.

Sarah:

A comment regarding regarding your statement

"The only way that we can change is by action, not by discussing the actions. If we were to truly want to tackle this, or any problem, we would stop talking and follow the lead of those who take action."

A very important thing to learn is to know WHEN to act AND when NOT to act, also - what are these actions based upon - objective information or blind hope, etc.

The down fall of Napoleon -- from http://www.zerohedge.com/news/napoleon- ... st-boredom

Boredom doesn’t get its fair share of the press as a dangerous human characteristic, and I know of no better example of this than Napoleon – Bonaparte, not Dynamite – to highlight this failing. Two hundred years ago to the day, the self-crowned French emperor was sitting in the little town of Vitebsk, in what is now Belarus. He had just pushed the Russian Army out of the town and decided to camp there for the winter and continue his invasion of Russia in the spring. But after just a few days in this sleepy hamlet, he grew bored. One of his aides, Philippe-Paul de Segur, later wrote that Napoleon’s fateful decision to immediately advance onto Moscow came from this logic:

“How can I bear the boredom of seven months of winter in this place? Am I to be reduced to defending myself – I who have always attacked? Such a role is unworthy of me… I am not used to playing it… It is not in keeping with my genius.”

The rest, as they say, is history. Advance he did, with his army of 600,000 men under arms, reaching Moscow on September 14, 1812. The Russians never gave him the decisive battle he desired, preferring to burn their capital to the ground and move further east. Winter, famine and disease did the rest, and the Grand Armee left Russian later that year with less than 120,000 soldiers. It was the greatest military defeat until the German Army replicated the effort in World War II, to similarly disastrous effect.

Gerald

I Hope that Gaya find again a new balance

Climate change, food and politics are most related to each other. There are also other things like soil (more time mentioned), but in my opinion, first 3 things are priorities. Everything else has just a following influence.